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Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On

Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On Hands-On

For those wanting a simple-looking but very special high-end dive watch, it is easy to recommend something like the Grand Seiko SBGA029 “Spring Drive Diver.” It goes without saying that most aBlogtoWatch writers have much love for Seiko. Unlike many other brands out there that put great efforts into wooing watch media, Seiko is relatively straightforward with how they handle the media. Sure, Seiko is polite, but their tactic is mostly to simply share with us what they are doing and hope that enough of us “get” them in a sufficient manner to echo their laurels and praise their competitive value.

Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On Hands-On

Nevertheless, comparing Seiko to other brands is tough. This is where the “Japanese versus European” arguments start to come in, where watch lovers take one of two sides of the argument defending or complaining about the notion of spending a large sum of money on a luxury Japanese product. Pretty much everyone has positive things to say about Seiko, and particularly the much more high-end Grand Seiko models. With that said, not everyone is willing to buy one.

The point is that high-end Japanese watches exist in their own world, have their own values, and while they do most of the same stuff as European luxury watches, they don’t quite exist in the same little universe. It is hard to explain, and perhaps one of our audience members can put it into better words, but I truly feel like to be a well-rounded watch lover you need to have fondness for both high-end Japanese and European watches. How does this all relate to the Grand Seiko SBGA029 Spring Drive Diver?

Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On Hands-On

It has to do with how I explain the watch. The Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 is most certainly a high-end watch, and it is more watch than most people need, but is it a luxury product in the same ways that Swiss watches are? Is the Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 the type of timepiece that can live right next to a Rolex Submariner, or is it a similar type of product that came to market with a totally different philosophy? I would personally argue for the latter.

Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On Hands-On

You can probably sum up the Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver collection (there are a few versions) as a super meticulously made tool watch. This is an ultimate tool watch. Not so much in being amazingly durable, but rather, in its intense attention to detail, finishing, and technology, all in a relatively simple and straight forward case. Seiko (especially) has a very serious relationship with high-end dive watches and the company produces no shortage of them each year. The Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 isn’t even that new of a model, but it still shines as one of the most well-rounded luxury Japanese (or other) high-end sport watches around.

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Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On Hands-On

The reference SBGA029 version of the Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver is the most simple, being offered with a black dial. Seiko also produced the SBGA031 version of this watch in titanium with gold-colored text on the dial, as well as the limited edition SBGA071, also in titanium but with a blue dial. Each comes in a 44.2mm-wide case that is 14mm wide and water-resistant to 200 meters.

This latter point is sort of amusing because despite the fact that the Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 will satisfy the diving needs of most people, enthusiasts complain that Seiko should have made it water resistant to 300 meters. Seiko, of course, has its share of 300-meter and 1000-meter water resistant watches, but oddly, they keep some of these models “held back” a bit for reasons beyond most people’s comprehension. I will go so far as to say that I’d trust a Grand Seiko 200m diver in instances where I would not trust many other 300m divers from other brands.

Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On Hands-On

While many Seiko dive watches attempt to have some type of unique personality through a design quirk or two, the Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 is remarkably simple in its dial and case execution. There isn’t a saw-blade style-rotating bezel, no extra screws on the case, and no added implements to the dial in order to make it more “unique.” What you have is a rare instance of restrained simplicity in a luxury Japanese watch, similar to how Europeans to do.

Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On Hands-On

Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On Hands-On

As the Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 is a few years old now, it lacks a few features that some more modern high-end dive watches have such as a ceramic bezel, and the deployant clasp is on the thicker side. Seiko uses their still-excellent ratcheting-style deployant clasp on a few models such as the Grand Seiko Quartz Diver watches that I reviewed here. The deployant is comfortable and works well, but it uses a lot of stamped metal parts. Seiko makes an excellent case and dial, and while their bracelets are very good, brands like Rolex and Omega still beat them in terms of overall quality. Comfort might be a different story depending on the specific wrist we are talking about, but Seiko would have just that many more people convinced if they overhauled the construction methods used for their bracelets.

Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA029 Watch Hands-On Hands-On

The bracelet is actually “Speedmaster-style” with a brushed three link layout with small polished interior sections. The case and bracelet have a lot of hand-done machine finishing and the overall look and feel is fantastic. Where Seiko really shines on Grand Seiko models (in addition to the movements) is the detailing and materials used for the dial. Seiko rarely screws up things like legibility and reflectivity, so looking at their dials is more often than not an extremely pleasant experience.

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  • Not my favorite handset and the power reserve coloring makes it stick out like a sore thumb among the other well thought out dial elements. Outside of these few quibbles, very nicely done. Not flashy but toolish in the best sense and with Spring Drive!

    Too bad it looks like a Submariner clone in that people who don’t really know what this watch is will just assume it’s a Sub knockoff (which is an injustice to this watch). I understand the price but still too bad it’s in a segment that is not accessible to a larger audience. Thanks for the review.

    • iamcalledryan

      I agree, the GS range lacks independent aesthetics to match the independent movement. Getting there, but way too much Rolexing.

      • wallydog2

        “Rolexing”, but _?_ $k’s less.

        • iamcalledryan

          Agreed, they do it for less, and not noticeably worse. Although I would take a new Rolex bezel over these ones.

      • AKDISQUS

        That’s the entire point. To make the BEST WATCH, not the subjective ice cream flavor of the month for each person’s taste.

        • iamcalledryan

          They do have the very similar and admirable approach as Rolex, but one thing is for sure, those are not the BEST HANDS. Everything else is great; well I also dislike the polished strips down the bracelet.

          • AKDISQUS

            They are the best daily wear watches, and that’s what matters to most. Not some fancy niche watch you have to baby every step of the way.

    • Mark Baran

      “Too bad it looks like a Submariner clone ” Really Mark? It’s a dive watch. Many of them exhibit the same look and features. I suppose the same statement could be made of the Rolex Sub when the viewer notes; “Too bad it looks like a Seamaster clone.” The basic design has been around since the 1950’s.

      • iamcalledryan

        A fair comment, in that some elements of the GS can be traced to a Seamaster, but the Sub predates the Seamaster (diver) I believe. And it is in fact possible to make a modern diver without directly lifting design elements from a Sub or a Seamaster or a 50F. When browsing the GS catalog there really are countless Rolex design elements over and above any other brand. Still, in their defense, they do not just ape the design, they also deliver it with solid quality, so it’s not like they are taking huge shortcuts or anything – that is why it’s a little frustrating, they won’t get the kind of respect they deserve – I think that is Mark’s point.

        • dennis

          True, but the ” fifty fathoms ” predates both and was the first real
          dive watch as we know today, the look of this Seiko still continues
          that original look and style.

          • iamcalledryan

            I think the GS shares less design elements with the 50F than it does with The Sub and the Seamaster. The Sub and the 50F are very distinct.

        • Mark Baran

          I believe you are correct. The Seamaster with a timing bezel was a few years behind Rolex. I do not disagree with Mark, and certainly do not disagree with anything you have noted above. After more than 40 years of being interested in, and collecting watches, I’m just tired of every “traditional design” dive watch being compared to a Rolex Sub. Many companies have executed many variations on the 1950’s design theme, and it’s time we started reviewing them on their individual merits, sans the comparison. Ariel has done a good job of that in this article.

          As an aside, I have always loved the Rolex Sub. I have owned a fairly substantial number of them since the 60’s. And own a couple currently. I also have an SBGA031, and consider it to be a very different watch.

          The basic design has become iconic over time; and I do not believe using that design, or cross manufacturer design elements, represents a “copy” of any particular manufacturers’ design property.

          • iamcalledryan

            I’m with you sir, and congrats on your 4 decades of watch enthusiasm!

      • As Ryan correctly surmised, my point was that this GS might not get the respect it deserves. The Rodney Dangerfield of dive watches?

    • Boogur T. Wang

      I’ve given a bit of thought to the oft repeated lament – “Too bad it looks like a Submariner” – and have come to the conclusion that this is usually true – for a very good reason. The Submariner has got it correct! It was purpose designed and purpose built. And it did/does what it was designed and built for in a very efficient manner.
      To follow those design cues is simple logic. While ‘thinking outside the box’ is a good thing; sometimes a tried and true pattern is what it is just because it works.

      Now, into all this philosophy I will also insert that simply because something “looks like something else” it may not necessarily be designed or built to the same specs as the original. Nor use the same materials.
      As always – Caveat Emptor.

      • I like Seiko and like a lot of people here, have a number of them in the watch box. I only wish that Seiko would establish they own “look” (whatever form that may take) and use it to their advantage. Sure the Sub looks good but their particular design cues are not the only way to do it. Another dive watch I like even more is the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms Bathyscape – which to my eye does not look like a Submariner. So, it can be done (looking different on a dive watch) and I wish Seiko would do so is all. Cheers.

    • JimBob

      I wondered how long before someone mentioned the weird hands. I really hate these hands. I also don’t like the exposed pin holes in the lugs. I think at this price point Omega has better offerings. Now, I say this without having compared finishing details in person.

      One thing about GS I just can’t get over is the horrible typeface they use for the GS logo. It looks cheesy to me.

      • Exposed springbar holes may be a bit unsightly but if you change straps a lot, they sure are handy as with a 1 mm rod end (on your springbar tool) it’s duck soup to remove a strap or especially a metal bracelet (some of which are a bear to remove with the forked end of a springbar tool). On the other hand if you never change your strap/bracelet then you are left with just esthetics. On dressier watches, I’m with ya. But for tool watches, I don’t mind them so much. Cheers.

  • I_G

    $6000 Seiko? LOL I’d rather spend that money on booze and hookers than on a quartz jap.›

    • WINKS

      Jap is an English abbreviation of the word “Japanese.” Today it is generally regarded as an ethnic slur among Japanese minority populations in other countries, although English-speaking countries differ in the degree to which they consider the term offensive. In the United States, Japanese Americans have come to find the term controversial or offensive, even when used as an abbreviation. In the past, Jap was not considered primarily offensive; however, during and after the events of World War II, the term became derogatory.

      • Boogur T. Wang

        Take your PC sensitivity elsewhere.

        • Ulysses31

          It’s not PC sensitivity though, it’s just basic courtesy. If you want to enjoy your freedom to express your, ahem, “beliefs”, there are plenty of places for that all across the internet. I’m not sure what ABTWs policy is on racism but considering the watch loving community is international, it’s probably not something they support. I’m sure Snowkrash or Ariel could clarify.

    • Only a very small number of components in a Spring Drive movement are electronic. For the most part it is a mechanical movement that happens to use an electrical feedback loop to regulate the sweep of the second hand. Quartz tends to be a bit pejoritive in the watch world and over simplifies what Spring Drive brings to the table. But yeah, it’s a lot of money either way. Cheers.

      • IanE

        I agree with everything you say here and below, except that I’m a little uncomfortable swapping what seems like the ‘heart’ of mechanical watches for the ‘pacemaker’ of Spring Drive, clever and accurate though it is – still that is almost a philosophical viewpoint!

        • I see it as different and not better or worse per se. But I agree there is the charm, lure, whatever that a wholly mechanical watch has that anything electrical seem to lack. But Spring Drive is as close as anything that isn’t. Cheers.

      • AKDISQUS

        Let me elaborate on that mark. Spring Drive is a PURE mechanical watch, the difference is escapement is replaced with a quartz crystal and it’s powered by generating tiny bit of electricity by the mainspring. There is no battery, there is no capacitor. So in effect, this is not just a clock but a power plant. And this is why Spring Drive is probably the best leap forward in technical progress in horlogerie since quartz watches.

        • DanW94

          Skeletor, The Spring Drive is great and there’s a lot of fans of it on this blog. But please stop touting it as a purely mechanical movement. Plain and simple it’s a hybrid. You said so yourself in your post!! In one sentence you say it’s pure mechanical but then you contradict yourself and say there’s no traditional mechanical escapement and it’s regulated by electricity.
          Stop embarrassing yourself.

          • iamcalledryan

            Correct, nothing that positions an integrated circuit between the mainspring and the escapement is a pure mechanical. It’s robocop, a human heart but some electronic tinkering, arguably better at policing, but not a great roomy.

          • AKDISQUS

            It’s the same thing, no different than Swiss replacing some parts with silicon to improve reliability and accuracy. The difference here is Seiko made a huge leap forward while the swiss are doing minor improvements.

          • iamcalledryan

            Um, no, not the same thing. You are saying that spring drive is pure mechanical. You can make a pure mechanical watch out of silicon, but not out of integrated circuitry, that is called electronic and is not mechanical. Honestly, this is the fundamentals of watches, are you seriously confused or are you just arguing first, thinking later?

          • AKDISQUS

            There is no integrated circuity, no matter how much I try to explain you keep with the derogatory ASSumptions. There is no wires, there is no capacitor, there is no resistor. If it had circuitry it wouldn’t have taken them more than 30 years and dozens of prototypes to perfect. It’s a pure mechanical watch, difference here is Seiko’s efficient use of energy from motion.

            I guess Swiss marketing has won you, cause you are happy to bathe in your own ignorance.

          • iamcalledryan

            You moron, it even says “integrated circuit” in the marketing guff you quoted above. Your fanboyism is totally discrediting Seiko and yourself. New low.

          • AKDISQUS

            Show me. Where is your link for that? Prove it, would love to laugh at your mistake.

          • iamcalledryan

            It’s not my link you muppet, it’s yours! Read the post YOU made 9 hours ago to Dan. Wow, you really are a shill. You lack even the most fundamental understanding of watch mechanics, no wonder you are lost!!

          • iamcalledryan

            I suppose that is not electricity running down those lines and is actually microscopic wheels?

          • AKDISQUS
          • AKDISQUS

            It’s a pure mechanical watch, you just don’t want to class is as such so you can feel comfortable in your little bubble where substandard swiss movements are still worthy of their ridiculous price tag.

            Don’t take my words for it.

            “At first, I wondered how different the Spring Drive movement is from the Seiko Kinetic which also gets its power source from the automatic rotor (oscillating weight). In the Kinetic movement, the power is transferred to a ‘capacitor’ which then is further transmitted to the train wheels. However, the Spring Drive, while also receiving its power from the automatic rotor – by the motion of the wrist -, that power winds up a mainspring (just like in a normal mechanical watch). In fact, the ‘complete automatic winding unit’ closely resembles that of many automatic mechanical movements made by Seiko and other users of Pellaton type winding systems.”

            http://www.thepurists.net/patrons/members/johnd/jackfreedman/article.html

            “All the motion of the components in Spring Drive is in one direction; therefore, friction is greatly reduced. By eliminating the need for the very rapid back and forth motion of a balance wheel, Spring Drive has eliminated a problem that has taxed watchmakers for 200 years: the vulnerability of the escapement to wear, tear, shock and temperature change. The result? A prestige, hand built watch that is more accurate, more reliable and more durable than any other luxury watch in the world.”

            “As in all automatic watches, an oscillating weight winds the Spring Drive mainspring and drives the hands. Uniquely, however, a tiny part of this mechanical energy is used to drive a magnetic rotor, which generates electrical energy. This electricity activates an integrated circuit and a crystal oscillator. This tri-synchro regulator regulates the speed of the hands via a glide wheel that rotates at exactly 8 times a second and delivers one-second-a-day accuracy.”

            http://www.seiko-cleanenergy.com/watches/springdrive-1.html

          • iamcalledryan

            Yes, we understand the science part, it’s you who is confused. Try reading the above again. A clue, go to the bit at the end about the integrated circuit. You do realize that even a $20 Swatch has some wheels and pinions in it? You call spring drive pure mechanical you are 100% wrong, the only thing that appears to be pure is the Seiko Koolaid you drink.

          • AKDISQUS

            The term automatic mechanical watch is defined in wiki.

            “An automatic or self-winding watch is a mechanical watch in which the mainspring is wound automatically as a result of natural motion of the wearer’s arm, to provide energy to run the watch, making manual winding unnecessary.”

            Which part of the definition does Spring Drive lack? It seems the technology is even more accurate to the point. PUN INTENDED. Keep putting your head in the ground, feel safe!

          • iamcalledryan

            Haha, no. You have quoted a definition of a mechanical, in which the first sentence mentions “mechanical watch”. Spring Drive doesn’t fall at the automatic winding part, it falls at the regulation part. A mechanical watch is regulated by the unlocking and locking of a lever, whereas the spring drive is regulated by an integrated circuit and electro magnetic brakes. Lever = mechanical, integrated circuit = electronic.

          • AKDISQUS

            It’s a mechanical watch, last time I checked the quartz regulator isn’t powered with a battery but a mainspring, you confusing with kinetic drive or don’t want to understand. You lost ground in the battle and now trying to game words to your favor, but unfortunately, it’s making you look silly and after this conversation, I am afraid no one will take you seriously from the shocking evidence in your lack of knowledge, lack of maturity and lack of dignity.

          • iamcalledryan

            The world is flat! You keep going back to the power source, but the electric bit is in the regulator. Mechanics involves a spring, this uses ELECTRONICS. Class is over.

          • AKDISQUS

            So you admit Spring Drive is mechanically powered. See admitting wrong is not hard. Just need to grow up. It only took you 5 redundant explanations for you to admit.

            It’s a mechanical watch, if you just said it’s not a traditional mechanical watch, then I would agree. There is no microchip, there is a single circuit to power the quartz regulator. The source of the power is from a mainspring. So difference here is the traditional escapement is replaced it with a quartz that needs a circuit to be powered. And that power source is mechanical. A testament to a modern mechanical watch which no swiss watch company was able to achieve, only Seiko.

            Class dismissed indeed.

          • iamcalledryan

            This was never about whether the Spring Drive is mechanically powered, it was about you calling it a “PURE MECHANICAL” watch. If we are going by the English definition of “pure” and the fundamental elements of mechanical watches, you are flat out wrong and everything else is your trademark noise.

            The Spring Drive movement relies on an integrated circuit, otherwise the balance wheel would spin out of control. It has no spring, it relies on electro-magnetic brakes. It specifically DOES have a chip in it, is specifically is NOT A PURE MECHANICAL WATCH.

            But don’t take my words for it, just read the stuff you copy and paste from Seiko, they explain it clear as day – you just need to understand the basic principles of power, transmission, distribution, and regulation – all of which in a mechanical watch must involve wheels, pinions, and springs. Add a chip and get a hybrid.

          • AKDISQUS

            Round and round we go. There is no chip, it’s powered by a mechanical movement which you admit to, the rest is perception noise.

            Just call yourself a fool and accept your defeat.

          • iamcalledryan

            A chip is not defined by what powers it. It is an integrated circuit whether it’s powered by a battery, mains, or a guy with a crank winding it. Even you, staggeringly, have quoted that it contains an integrated circuit and we have established what that means. Mechanical power, check. Mechanical transmission, check, mechanical distribution and regulation NO. Ergo, anything but a pure mechanical.

            I have never seen someone so profoundly dig a hole for themselves and shout victory from the bottom of it. You are saying spring drive is pure mechanical, that it the most undisputed evidence of your trolling or a very sad insight into your understanding of watches.

            You are either having fun or you are deranged, in any case I don’t really care. Bye

          • AKDISQUS

            That’s not a chip, it has a single circuit to power the quartz nothing else, no matter how hard you try, you fail.

            It is a pure mechanical watch, there is no battery, there is no solar power, it’s source is from the mainspring, hence mechanical.

            Diesel power source = DIESEL ENGINE
            Gas powered = Gas engine.
            Battery powered = ELECTRIC MOTOR

            The power source defines the movement, and since the power source is mechanical, it’s a mechanical watch.

            It’s better than any garbage swiss put out and more reliable. Technological advancement is to keep what works and get rid of the fat, escapement is unreliable and inaccurate, time to move on.

          • iamcalledryan

            A single circuit IS electronic you tool. You can call Seiko and ask for yourself, they wouldn’t have the blind ignorance to claim that Spring Drive is anything other than hybrid.

            There is not one other person on the planet that will agree with your bizarre logic!

          • iamcalledryan

            Skeletroll is on fire today. You would think he might understand the basics of the very product he shills (for free) for.

          • DanW94

            Lol….Yeah, I see you tried to no avail. Funny, you included the illustration of the Spring Drive system. I had one ready to post too, but thought, no it won’t make a difference to him.

          • iamcalledryan

            and I thought the “who needs a leap year indicator” comment was priceless…

    • AKDISQUS

      Racist remark, you should be banned.

  • Albert Lee

    I own one… It has been my daily wearer for the past 1.5 years…It is AMAZING..Quality is second to none and Spring Drive is mesmerizing…. The only downside to this watch is the size…. 44.2mm is not too small… on my 6.5 inch wrist, 44.2mm feels gigantic sometimes….. Otherwise, I would say this is a must have item for anyone who is serious about watches and would like an alternative to Rolex Submariner.

  • Ulysses31

    Not the best example of a Spring Drive, with those generic looks and short hands. Let’s leave casual racism out of this comments section and stick to watch talk. It was bad enough with that one guy trolling Ariel all the time; let’s not add to the mess this comments section has become over the last few months.

    • Apart from the bezel font, which might be seen as “generic” how is the whole design generic? I i understand the whole “sub” argument but nobody will mistake it for a sub. And the hands are huge and well proportioned (if a bit funky looking).

      Generic IMO means something lacks character, which the GS certainly does not lack–quite the opposite. It just builds upon some common design elements (that evoke the sub) and then goes all Japanese on the rest.

      I find that this design has grown on me a lot and it’s very distinctly Japanese.

      • Ulysses31

        It’s generic by virtue of the fact that it is clearly designed to look like any other “diver” styled watch, of which there are hundreds of interpretations but all on the same theme. It’s not an ugly watch, but it is a “me too” watch entering an already very crowded market with little to make it unique or to stand out from the crowd on a stylistic level in my view. Of course the movement is a defining characteristic but from aesthetics alone it doesn’t inflame my passions. I have seen variations of this model in titanium or with a blue dial which are more enticing, but this version lacks that visual MSG. Seiko is known for playing it safe with design which is something I appreciate but even so, sometimes it is nice to see a bit of flair, though perhaps not to the idiotic extremes often witnessed from the Swiss.

  • diaken kolwyntjies

    i own a quartz grand seiko and it cost me 4000 bucks, best watch i have in my collection, next to my rolexs, jaeger, Breitling it stands strong in both fit and finish. those who have anything negative to say about seiko know nothing about horology and are only interested in the impression their watch makes from name only

    • Shinytoys

      amen brother !

  • Boogur T. Wang

    It’s a nice watch. Nothing really special. A bit over -priced.
    I do not know how it does on the secondary markets.

  • iamcalledryan

    Really nice diver, a top 5 diver in my books; and a super cool movement. The hands bother me on this watch, really don’t dig them, but the fact that it doesn’t ruin the whole thing is testament to the overall execution.

  • SuperStrapper

    It is a very handsome watch, but doesn’t really look all that ‘special’. With the absence of a truly unique element, as Ariel mentioned, the dial is easy to understand and take in, but the downside is that aside from the Grand Seiko branding I looks very similar to some of their solar and kinetic divers. Get rid of that GS branding and you actually have yourself some serious stealth wealth, because at a glance it would like like any other sub-$500 Seiko diver. The argument is not helped by the unoriginal bracelet, although I’m sure it is very well engineered. Can’t say I’m a fan of that screen-door looking material used to to background for the PR indicator either.

    I love spring drive movements, but you don’t even get a look at it here, which sucks. Despite the decent finishing and cool tech, this watch is overpriced and I’d sooner spend this kind of money on a more iconic and cooler Swiss offering.

    • AKDISQUS

      All you said that I eat up the lies of swiss marketing and I can’t get out of my own box. You speak of “special” but there is absolutely nothing special about your approach and everyone and their grandpa has a swiss watch. This is why the madness continues in vintage swiss watches, because people want something swiss but knowing that everyone has a swiss watch, they want something that is limited or rare (even though the watch is crap) so that they feel something special. How many people have a Rolex? Probably everyone, and how many people have a GS? Not much. Who is more “special” here.

      On top of that, you got the EXCLUSIVE Spring Drive movement where no other watch company has. How special do you want to get? At this point you only showed us need mentally challenged special treatment.

      • SuperStrapper

        You mad bro? You’re sputtering and slavering away so hard you’re not even putting real sentences together.

        No need to have such a sandy vagina just because it’s so easy to poke holes in how weak this watch is compared to the price it wants to command. Look at the used market on spring drive movements. The are cool, which I’ve already said, but they don’t hold any value. They require just as much servicing the any other mechanical movement, at much higher costs.

        Also, everyone and their mother has a Seiko.

        • AKDISQUS

          Everything you said is a lie. You didn’t poke anything. You just stated you can’t buy anything but swiss watches, which doesn’t make you a watch fan but a marketing fan of swiss watches. And your rebuttals is just more ASSumptions with no substance.

          • SuperStrapper

            I started that I can’t buy anything but Swiss watches?

            1. That’s not a sentance.
            2. Even if you did have the ability to weild grade 3 grammar, I ‘stated’ nothing of the kind. You’re just inventing weak facts to hold up your lame and uninteresting argument.
            3. Quit whining, it’s pathetic and no one here need additional reasons to laugh at you.

            Same ole Skeletor.

          • AKDISQUS

            You just a troll, I am done with you.

            “1. That’s not a sentance.”

          • Thewatcher

            They may be good value and quality build.. But is grand seikos problem they haven’t got their own iconic style. This is clearly a homage to a Rolex and the snow flake is too. Yeah they’ve tarted it up nice but it’s looks like a Rolex at a glance so it can never be iconic

          • AKDISQUS

            Rolex doesn’t have much of an icon other than the cyclops magnified date window and their jubilee bracelet. Other than that, you can make the same argument against Rolex being too industrial. And in end, that’s the point.

          • resonator resonator

            Seriously? YOU are calling out someone else here for being a troll?!?! YOU?!?! I think not. Back to your bridge, you’ll receive no crumbs from me anymore.

        • john coleman

          Therefore everyone and their mother seem to have taste !

  • DanW94

    I have a few Seiko’s and love them for their quality and affordability, but they can come across as tepid and uninspired. Functionally, the watch is beyond question, and a smart choice, but at that price point you want some personality, something that sets it apart from the crowd in addition to it just being well finished and mechanically sound. Oh, and that hour hand bothers me to no end….

  • Raymond Wilkie

    Am all divers watched out, but this is an exceptional piece, Ticks every box for me.

  • TrevorXM

    I get as excited seeing Seiko watch as I do seeing a Honda or a Toyota. I get as enthusiastic about paying $6000 for a Seiko watch as I would be about paying $300,000 for a Honda or a Toyota.

    • AKDISQUS

      This why you are not a real connaisseur of haute horlogerie. You are the Mcdonalds of food critics.

  • BNABOD

    I am just dive watched out maybe because winter is on the way. They all look the same to me, submariner clone or not, spring drive or not and these hands are just plain fugly. I am just happy w my Sumo, paid 350 bucks for it. Good or bad if you are looking for that “you have done well in life remark” then the Seiko isn’t for you. if you want the under radar you have done well for yourself then GS you go.

  • Timeless Watch

    Seiko is the Camry….Grand Seiko is the Lexus…Reliable, Predicable, Honest and totally boring…

  • Lurch

    How many people who own a dive watch, use a dive watch? This is a very nice watch, but I would not pay $5,700 and be one of those people who don’t use it as a dive watch.

    • TrevorXM

      Well, this is a good point. I always laugh when I see people sniffing about a watch only having a 100m rating and so and so has a 200 or 300m rating. When in the freaking world is most anybody going to be diving down even 300 feet? What swimming pool would that be in, exactly? If you were a watch in the water, you might swim with it a little, maybe a little snorkelling on vacation. A 100m rating is enough for pretty much any purpose. If you’re doing more than that you’re using electronic dive equipment.

    • iamcalledryan

      There are very few watches designed for sitting at the computer and reading blog articles. Almost every watch has elements that can be traced back to stylings or designs that once had a particularly important functional purpose. There is nothing wrong with wearing a pilots watch to the pub, or a dress watch in jeans, or a diver for the desk. Breathing true functional life into a mechanical watch is great fun but we all know full well that there are cheaper electronic devices that do a far better job of performing that function. Tongue in cheek is the order of the day with any mechanical watch, but especially a diver.

      • Lurch

        I respect your opinion but it still looks silly to me when someone wears a tool watch all for show and not for what was intended. Likewise when someone wants to buy a 1200 meter rated dive watch and will never dive that deep unless the mafia ties a cement block around their hands and legs and drops them in the water. Or a pilot tool watch even though they don’t fly. I have asked people to explain how they use their flight computer on the bezel and they don’t have a clue. It is a free country though and they can do whatever the heck they want but I am just expressing my opinion like everyone on this forum.

        • iamcalledryan

          Fair enough, and for the record I time my eggs with a chronograph to justify it..

          • Boogur T. Wang

            If the chickens don’t mind, who are we to judge….;)

  • AKDISQUS

    I’m not a big fan of dive watch designs, the only one that has a fresh nice design if the Steinhart Triton 100. But for a copy of Rolex Submariner, this Grand Seiko beats it in every way.

    GS more accurate 1 sec vs Rolex 6 secs
    GS movement is silent while Rolex is quiet I can still hear ticks while sleeping if near me.
    GS better finish and materials, titanium vs SS , Zaratsu polish vs standard machine polish
    GS sweeping secs naturally glides vs Rolex ticking
    GS has more complications as standard (Power reserve is a must!)
    Less maintenance since there is no escapement
    And half the price of the Rolex

    Consider this watch a…

    http://romanfitnesssystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Zoolander-Magnum.png

    • TrevorXM

      You don’t own a real Rolex, only a Chinese knock-off, so how would you know?

      • AKDISQUS

        I do own a Rolex, and keep your lame attempt to discredit me to yourself just because you can’t fathom the idea of a non-swiss brand crushing your little box of limitations in your head.

        • TrevorXM

          What’s going on in your head with the mass of lies and self-deception is hard to fathom. In one post on the last article (and many, many others) you rant and rave about “Death to swiss brands!” and then you spin around and claim how you sleep with a Rolex on.

          • AKDISQUS

            Maybe just maybe, here this crazy conspiracy out, I have a Rolex and upgraded to a Grand Seiko? WOW!! Unimaginable!

          • john coleman

            When I hit the jackpot I will upgrade to the Seiko Credor repeater !!

          • TrevorXM

            You flip between your second-hand Orient and your drug store Seiko depending on your mood and that’s about it. That’s been revealed several times. And then you jump on your obsolete computer you bought at a repair shop and rant on about the world of watches you’ve fairly recently discovered — parroting whatever you can and posing like you have an idea of what you’re talking about. Which you don’t. Which has been proven in humiliating post after humiliating counter post by many people on here.

            You remind me of a kid way back in elementary school. He used to lick gobs off of sidewalks for a dollar. He had a smart mouth like you, too. But licking gobs and humiliation was his main claim to “fame”. A real masochist personality. Like you.

          • iamcalledryan

            Trolling 101 – the more you contradict yourself the better.

    • Lurch

      Rolex is Magnum too.

  • Marius

    When you are paying $6000 for a watch, the brand name actually does matter. Some prefer watches that are widely recognized, such as Rolex, Cartier, or Hublot. Others prefer watches recognized by the WIS, such as Jaeger LeCoultre, IWC, or Moser. The problem is that even the people who know about Grand Seiko (technical and finishing aspects) will, generally, buy one only after having already acquired a fair amount of Swiss iconic watches. For instance, how many oft you would get a Grand Seiko as your first watch? Would you prefer one in favour of a JLC, Rolex, or IWC?

    • AKDISQUS

      Everyone falls in the Swiss trap before knowing better. And everyone starts with a Seiko when they start their watch collection. So it’s a give and take situation where you start with a Seiko and eventually end with a Grand Seiko.

      • Thewatcher

        As if you know anything. You’ve been into watches for about ten minutes.

        • AKDISQUS

          That’s still more than you.

          • iamcalledryan

            Lol from the guy who believes spring drive is pure mechanical!

          • AKDISQUS

            It’s power source is mechanical so yeah it’s a mechanical watch. But for you it should be called “I am jealous swiss don’t have patents mechanical movement”.

          • iamcalledryan

            http://www.timelessluxwatches.com/reviews/how-spring-drive-works

            I particularly draw your attention to “A spring drive cannot be a mechanical movement, because the implication is that it’s totally mechanical, which it isn’t. It’s almost entirely mechanical, but the most crucial part of the whole movement is the tri-synchro regulator, so named because it regulates kinetic (mechanical), electric and electromagnetic energy.”

            This is not a matter of opinion, you will not be able to provide me with any reliable source quoting that spring drive is pure mechanical. You are totally on your own, and I thought you might understand Seiko!

          • AKDISQUS

            Before you couldn’t admit any mechanical element, then you admit it’s a mechanically powered watch. You already admitted to your ignorance.

            Even Seiko says it’s a mechanical watch. Maybe you should call them like the angry baby you are and complain.

            http://www.seikowatches.com/world/technology/spring_drive/

            This is not mechanical to you? LOL what a joker.

            http://ablogtowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Ananta-SD-movement11.jpg

          • iamcalledryan

            I have always understood that it contains many mechanical elements. It is in fact the most mechanical hybrid out there. You are the one saying it is pure mechanical and that is plain wrong no matter how you reword it. Angry baby, lol, my 8 yr old has a greater understanding of the difference between an electical impulse and a friction one.

            Thanks for the link, I particularly like the bit “The Tri-synchro regulator controls the speed of the glide wheel and the hands by electromagnetic braking.” Oh wait, where are the wheel teeth, the levers, the pallets and the springs?

          • AKDISQUS

            “In 1959 Seiko invented an original component from the winding mechanism of a mechanical watch, the ‘Magic Lever.’ It boosted the efficiency of the automatic winding mechanism, by using the energy created by each swing, in both directions, of the rotor. With direct installation to the rotor shaft, the newly designed ‘Magic Lever’ system delivers more efficient transmission of power than ever.”

            http://www.seikowatches.com/world/technology/spring_drive/

            LOL does that answer your question, more jokes plz.

            Maybe they should have called it “Swatch Mechanic Precision” you would love the pretentiousness enough to accept it as a mechanical watch. Just to make it even more authentic, sell it for 250K minimum and a poster from some celebrity.

          • iamcalledryan

            Magic lever has nothing to do with it skeletroll! Good luck shifting your argument.

          • AKDISQUS

            The only person here shifting is you. You went from a electronic, to mechanically powered to almost mechanical to NOT pure mechanical.

            You are funny guy! More plz.

          • iamcalledryan

            And here I was thinking it started with you saying it was pure mechanical, me disagreeing, and me being right all along. I get the sense you only understand the power part of a movement lol.

            Thanks for your time skeletroll, I hope it’s going better on mobilesyrup or wherever else you spend your days.

          • AKDISQUS

            It is a pure mechanical watch, you just don’t want to accept Japanese making better stuff than old farts in swiss alps. That’s why you wasted time here on this. Who cares really, but I know deep down you can’t fathom the idea that a printer company is beating the swiss in their own game, lol.

          • iamcalledryan

            Would love to serve you a glass of “pure” water – only a little bit of extra stuff.

            And just as I told you when you were Skeletor, if you read what I write you see I like Seiko. I just dislike trolls and morons, but morbid trolls, woah!

          • AKDISQUS

            I rather have that, than your pure BS you been spewing all this time.

      • mtnsicl

        I didn’t start with a Seiko, and I won’t end with a Grand Seiko.

    • My first good watch was a campanola (paid over 4K for it) and then I went into Breitling, Panerai etc. Before that I had only budget level watches–below 1K.

      It is one of the early versions that says Citizen on the dial. It makes me very happy when people are perplexed when they see that it’s a citizen. It could have been a GS instead of a campanola but you get the idea. Some people just march to their own beat, and the fact that it says Seiko is worth it just to see the look on people’s faces when you tell them it costs more than their rolex 🙂

  • AKDISQUS

    Some people don’t seem to understand Grand Seiko, if you go to website, it might help your ignorance.

    “December, 1960. Grand Seiko was born. The goal that inspired its creators was hardly a modest one: they were determined to create nothing less than the best luxury watch in the world.

    Today, just as fifty-five years ago, Grand Seiko is focused on the pure essentials of watchmaking. Grand Seiko strives to provide lovers of fine watches with the ultimate, functional watch. Each and every Grand Seiko is as accurate, as reliable, as legible and as comfortable to wear as can be achieved. Grand Seiko is everything a luxury watch should be, with no unnecessary elaboration or undue decoration. Just pure, simple and basic watchmaking raised to the level of an art form.”

    http://seikousa.com/collections/grand%20seiko/

    Pretty much what Rolex does, it’s not making tons of different designs, it’s to perfect the best design every year. This is why Rolex and GS design’s don’t change much, their purpose is to give you the best daily wear watch for any situation. The difference is that Grand Seiko gives you more value for your buck. If you looking for more artistic elements and experimental designs, then Seiko Credor collection is what you are looking for.

    • Berndt Norten

      Oh, boy, I was wondering when Skeletor would enter the ring. Here he is, like… clockwork.

      • resonator resonator

        I’m starting to think that fool is on the Seiko payroll.

        • Berndt Norten

          I can’t see him lasting on anyone’s payroll. I bet he’s self-employed. Computers, programming, that sort of thing. Lots of time alone at his computer, fulminating against the world.

          • resonator resonator

            Makes sense. I’m not sure why I thought he was already in the business. Thought he did repair work for Seiko or something. You’re probably correct.

        • iamcalledryan

          You’d think, but he doesn’t even understand what differentiates his own favourite watch from a pure mechanical movement. Wouldn’t even get to the second job interview.

          • resonator resonator

            Oh really? He was a noob that came in HERE and tried educating us with his opinionated nonsense huh? So not really a troll, but rather an ignorant trying to make waves. For some reason I thought he actually worked in the industry already, which would have been weird I guess. I love the Seiko brand quite a bit, but I also understand their place in this particular marketplace. He simply doesn’t get it, nor is he the personality type appreciated by this audience.

    • john coleman

      Really agree with all this.

    • Bert Kanne

      Does the cost of the movement justify this watch’s price? Someone please explain what makes the case and bracelet appropriate.

      • AKDISQUS

        Yes it does.

        “Spring Drive is the only watch movement in the world that is powered by a main spring and has a regulator without an escapement. Others have tried to make such a watch, but only SEIKO has achieved it.Spring Drive’s hands move in perfect, continuous and precise glide motion.”

        http://www.seiko-cleanenergy.com/watches/springdrive-1.html

        You can’t even get a decent swiss watch at 5k since same quality bracelet and finish, even there 100k watches are less accurate than Spring Drive.

    • Shinytoys

      well written and on point.

  • Shinytoys

    My first quality watch was a Seiko. The “Grands” fit and finish, as well as the motor and how advanced it is, Seiko has truly raised the bar over the standard Seiko’s which I currently have many. I do a lot of diving, mostly above the 100 foot depth mark, and there is no way that I would ever jump in the ocean with ANY manufactures product costing six thousand dollars. The thought of the salt water getting on the watch would throw the hooks in this immediately. There are other “Grands” that I would certainly desk dive with. This is a beautiful watch! Now…where is my Orange Monster 🙂

    • mtnsicl

      Salt water washes off. Desk diving marks?, they don’t wash off!

  • john coleman

    I have 2 Seikos – both Kinetic and never miss a beat. One is a diver and is my daily wearer. Cost around £200 each. Build quality is second to none. Not sure about this GS but they do an Automatic diver around £700 which is the next on my list. My 40+ year Speedy, which I bought new, comes out on high days and holidays!

  • cwo3ret

    all that fawning over a Grand Seiko and not one mention of how to actually use the watch, set the time, screw down the crown, attach the clasp? details, not aesthetics, please

    • SuperStrapper

      There is nothing non-standard about any of those operations on this watch. Nothing to talk about in anything you’re listing.

    • Boogur T. Wang

      Chief, instructions are included in the box when you buy it. But all of those things you mentioned are SOP for this item.

  • john coleman

    Wow Aerial – you’ve opened a right can of worms here !!
    ps – love the post.

  • Concerned1

    My first luxury watch was the Grand Seiko Snowflake with the Spring Drive. However, I got so caught up in the hype that Swiss was the only way to go that it took me months and months to make my decision. I tried on many Rolex watches among other brands, all more expensive than the Snowflake. Yet, something kept bringing me back to the Snowflake.

    While it’s one of the most popular Grand Seikos it’s still tremendously less common than the ocean of Rolexes in the world. There are a least 200 guys with a Rolex in my office. I don’t think I have ever seen a Grand Seiko. I get a lot of compliments on my GS, but most guys would never buy it purely because of the marketing machine that is the Swiss watch industry. That’s what makes me like it even more.

    I love when people bash Seiko. It validates my purchase that much more. It’s clear that those who bash Grand Seiko are either close minded or uneducated as to what comprises a great watch. Many times it’s both.

    By the way, this is not bashing Rolex. I intend to buy a Rolex someday, it’s just that I felt the Grand Seiko had the edge in both fit and finish and price.

  • mtnsicl

    Wow, 6K for a Seiko. I’m not gonna argue the time keeping ability of this watch. But, I only have to adjust my $175 Seiko Solar every six months, when the time changes. You know, I think the problem is that a lot of people have love for Seikos, I have a lot of love for Seikos, just not at this price point. You may think it’s shallow, but it’s because of Brand Recognition. Seiko isn’t known, by most people, for their high end watches. For 6K I could buy something much more rare and unique. The GS wouldn’t get a first look, let along a second look or even a comment about your watch. Most people would think it’s a Rolex. How many of those are floating around? I read somewhere 50 to 55 million. They aren’t rare or unique. I have watches that were a lot cheaper and they are 1 of 100 made. The build of this watch doesn’t look any better then my Seiko Solar. The hour hand is to short, the hands are kinda ugly, the coin edges of the bezel are not crisp like they should be on a watch of this price and they need to stop with the two tone bracelets, it’s just bad. Although, this watch does come with finger prints. My Seiko Solar did not. I feel cheated! With all that said, it’s still a pretty nice looking watch.

    • sfbaydawg221

      You think a Spring Drive is not unique?

      • mtnsicl

        It’s just a movement with a fancy name. You can’t even see it. Now, decorate it up, put a see through caseback on it and we’d have something to talk about.

        • iamcalledryan

          It is actually a unique and fascinating movement, with many models sporting it via a crystal caseback. Grand Seiko are a totally different brand to Seiko when it comes to quality of movement and finishing.

          These are just words – go try one on, flip it over, observe the glide wheel and I dare you not to care to learn more.

        • Tommer

          Dude you just proved you know nothing about this watch. Spring Drive, baby.. Spring Drive!

  • ??????

    Grand Seiko is superb indicator how well-educated the watch site’s crowd is, ranging from brand-monkeys (level 0) to hardcore collectors like at PuristPro, visiting manufacturies etc. ABTW stands somewhere in the middle and thats just fine, I appreciate reading comments here. Pity to see so many shout “WTF?! XXXX for just a Seiko?” – all these guys need to visit any GS store, take their time and dig into what is level of GS compared to budget lines. And yes – marketing is strong sh*t, put GS on the Bonds wrist one-two times and you will crave it.

  • radikaz

    I owned a Grand Seiko 62GS along with a Prospex Kinetic & skews of Seiko diver watches. All kept excellent timing with the swiss watches in my inventory. Buying GS is a mind block for a lots of folks, i’m not saying 6K is a small $, but many will perceived that they pay a bit more, they can get a swiss watch, however. Once you owned a GS, you will be amazed by how many quality work goes un-noticed by an educated customer. If you’re eyeing for a daily timepiece and it’s one of the GS, do not hesitate. Give its a go.

  • Ulysses31

    Unsubscribed. Fuck this noise.

    • rclayton

      If the thoughtful and rational people quit, who will be left?

  • rclayton

    Let’s see. Another Sub clone, ugly hands. uglier Gothic GS typeface, adequate but not exceptional WR, and 6 grand? I concede the high quality manufacture, but just don’t get it. Please enter me into the “uneducated” and “close-minded” group.

    • QQ

      OK, you’re hereby formally entered into, and securely and stubbornly lodged in, the uneducated and closed-minded group.

    • Joe

      All divers look similar because of the ISO 6425 diver watch requirements. It’s convergent design. Honda did not intentionally design the Insight to look like the Prius. By virtue of needing extremely low drag coefficient in a hybrid car, you end up with a similar product. There are Sub homages (true look-alikes) and there are just divers. Open your mind. The Submariner is NOT the original diver. That title goes to the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms. Call it what you want. By your logic, the original Sub was a Fifty Fathoms wanna-be.

  • Josh Graves

    It’s nice, but if I’m going to spend 6k on a sub clone, then why not buy a sub. Other Grand Seikos are more compelling.

  • ??????

    Anyone knows what does MSRP mean? Why 6k if its sold for ~4.3k

    • I think it is “Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price”

      • ??????

        Right, I meant to make my comment ironic 😉 just to adress all who say it costs 6k

  • Hydra

    I’d rather spend 6K on a GS than a over glorified Swiss watch…

  • Nelson

    Grand Seiko has more watchmaking expertise than some Swiss watch brands so why GS cannot be a luxury watch in the same ways that Swiss brands are? Perhaps it is because Seiko is known as a medium level brand. I think they should use a completely different brand name for their luxury watches.

    • commentator bob

      “I think they should use a completely different brand name for their luxury watches.”
      They do, Credor.

      In addition they have Pulsar, Lorus supposedly below Seiko, and probably 20 Seiko sub-brands (e.g. Grand Seiko, Ananta, Premier, Sportura, Coutura, Prospex, Astron).

      And then there is the wholly owned Orient subsidiary with its higher level Orient Star watches.

      No wonder Rolex and Tudor are easier for the market to understand.

      • Nelson

        “seiko” credor , grand “seiko”. What I mean is they should not use “Seiko”. Even, you can find Credor on the seiko website. Can u find Tudor on Rolex web? no. The point is they shoud treat the exclusive brand differently.

  • If I want a robust and practical Seiko diver, I’ll buy a SKX for under $200 If I want a “luxury” Seiko diver, I’ll buy a $1000 Marine Master. If I want a $6,000 watch that looks like a Submariner, I’ll buy a Submariner. You can call me obstinate or provincial, but there’s nothing about this watch that justifies the price. Nothing.

  • commentator bob

    Comparing a Seiko Kinetic watch and a Seiko Spring Drive watch what are the differences other than that the Kinetic has a capacitor charged by the weighted rotor, which then powers the quartz movement, while a Spring Drive has a mainspring that is wound by the weighted rotor, which then powers a quartz movement?

    The biggest problem I have with this watch is the 44 mm diameter. For a dress dive watch with a non-spectacular depth rating that is way too large.

    What is the bezel made out of if not ceramic? With its substance and indented numerals it does not look like it is an aluminum insert. Is it PVD/IP stainless? If so I’m not sure that is inferior to ceramic. It may scratch easier but will never break (and I’ve definitely seen scratched ceramic bezels).

    For the people saying that they would buy a Rolex over this: First the market price for this is about $4,000 while a new date Submariner is about $8,000. Second, this is really a watch for someone that already has a Submariner, and wants something more interesting.

    • Ulysses31

      In Spring Drive the rotor winds a mainspring which turns gears that turn a uni-directional wheel called the Tri-synchro regulator (that replaces the conventional escapement) whose speed is governed by a magnetic brake. Some of the mainspring power is tapped by a tiny dynamo that generates just enough current to create an accurate time base with a quartz crystal. The signal from the crystal is compared with the speed of the TSR and then adjusted via the brake to keep accurate time. It’s explained in more detail here, but I really think ABTW needs a glossary section where common watch technology and terminology is explained, so we don’t have to rehash old conversations every time stuff like this comes up.

      http://www.timelessluxwatches.com/reviews/how-spring-drive-works

      • commentator bob

        Thanks, very interesting. And helps explain why the size may be necessary.

  • Jonathan Barrett

    Been wearing my GS “Spring Drive Diver” continuously since early March and it still gives me a warm & fuzzy feeling when I look at it ! Superb accuracy ( better than quoted 2 secs/day), magnificent finish, meticulously designed and crafted face and hands. My only niggle is the bulk of the clasp which is collecting some scratches but then again this watch was always going to be a “wearer”. As a former professional air diver I know that depth rating isn’t an issue and if I was below 200m I would probably be dead but with Seiko build quality the watch would survive much deeper. In any case my real diving watch which is a humble vintage Seiko auto 6309-7290 has survived all the abuse of working dives and has earned its retirement. I may buy a Rolex 16613 as a dress/statement watch one day but put the GS next to a Rolex Sub 116610 with the wide lugs and the GS wins hands down on “presence” alone and leaves the Rolex looking slightly crude and unfinished IMHO. There I’ve said it so chew my ears off ? !

    • Sean Brasky

      Do you have the SBGA029 or the SBGA031. I am wanting one for everyday and AD quoted great price on the SS SBGA029. Cant find too much on line about how 200 grams wears and have not had a chance to visit AD yet.

      • Jonathan Barrett

        Hi Sean
        It wears just fine and has been my daily wearer for nearly a year now. I swapped from a steel bracelet Seiko kinetic divers watch and although the SBGA029 is a much bigger and heavier watch it sits well on my wrist and moves less than the kinetic maybe because of the back plate finish and grip (GS Lion logo in heavy relief) plus the balance provided by the lugs as resting points.
        If you can get one at the right price go for it ! J

  • DavesDown

    Hi, just nitpicking here, the red reflection on the watch is kinda ruin the otherwise perfect photos.