Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Exactly one year ago, when Panerai launched the Luminor Due, it was well-documented that I wasn't convinced about this new, second chapter for the much-loved Luminor collection. To come to grips with it and see what it's like in the metal, I decided to review the Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674, which is the stainless steel, 45mm wide version of the four pieces that Panerai debuted the Luminor Due collection with.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

The Luminor Due presently comes in either 42mm or 45mm-wide cases in either steel or red gold, with the 42mm versions featuring the P.1000, which is a good-looking, small, hand-wound, "3 Days" caliber. The 45mm variants, like the one we are looking at here, are powered by the still remarkably thin but complicated P.4000 in-house caliber, which also offers 3 days of power reserve but adds micro-rotor-driven automatic winding to the mix and about $2,000 to the price. As such, we are looking at a Luminor that retails for slightly over the $10k mark. All this noted, what I first had issues with were the name and some of the specs of the Luminor Due, so let's see if these start to make sense in real life before we do our regular review run-down on the PAM674.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Luminor Due As In Luminor Two

Due (pronounced "doo-eh") means "two" in Italian, so the Luminor Due collection carries the weight of being the second generation or second chapter of the Luminor, one of the most successful and recognizable (see how I avoided saying "iconic"?) watch collections of this century. Also, this is exactly what baffled me when I covered the Luminor Due upon its debut in May 2016.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

In my mind, in line with product naming practices across any industry I can think of, when a product name has a sequence number added to it, I am led to believe it is all around as good as, or superior to the one that preceded it. This applies to cars, technology, aviation, household electronics, and pretty much every other industry. So the Luminor Due, one could think, is destined by definition to not only succeed, but also outperform the regular Luminor.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

However, the Luminor Due offers a remarkably disappointing 30 meters of water resistance, which is measly for any watch and heresy for one that says Panerai on the dial. The Due doesn't stop there because, like a true Luminor, it has the bare cheek to boast the "REG. TM." marked crown protector. So, the question stands...

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Can And Should This Be A Luminor?

With this major shortcoming noted, I'll still say: yes, and here's why. Panerais and especially Luminors are never really very pretty. Cool, masculine, old-school, dashing, even – all these things, surely, but pretty... nah. A pretty Panerai is a rare breed, even if they do get the proportions right a lot of the time. I would not consider any Panerai pretty, save for the two exceptions that enforce the rule - each a Radiomir 1940 in red gold: the PAM575 and the PAM513. The PAM690 in steel comes close with its terrific blue dial and neat case, but misses out by being 47mm and having a petite sub-seconds.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

As you have guessed by now, this is where the Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 comes into the picture. The PAM674 is sold on a black leather strap – the most boring strap in all of strap history and one that does little justice to the watch, though it is, admittedly, a nice back-up if you want to wear it with formal attire. So, after putting it on to ease my conscience, I removed the black strap. Drilled lugs are appreciated and, in this instance, work much better aesthetically than the large, screw-secured pins. The strap I installed is an aged, tan leather strap that truly transformed the looks of the watch.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

All this was to describe the uncomplicated process that led to the following awe-inspiring moment. As I went back to the PAM674, now with the tan strap (highlighting the tan numerals and text), laying on its crown protector, I clearly recall thinking to myself, sort of in shock: "My God, that's a great looking watch." A challenge to imitate with photography, but a memorable moment that did very much happen.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Design & Execution

There is something special that its new-found thinness – a slender 10.70mm for the PAM674 even with the slightly domed crystal and angled lugs – gives to the Luminor 1950 case. It looks effortless, light and, even in this 45mm version, beautifully proportionate. However, I would prefer the PAM676 in 42mm, which would admittedly fit my wrist size better.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

I say this pretty much every time when I discuss aesthetics, and it really should go without saying: aesthetics is something for everyone to make up their minds about on their own. But, what can objectively be determined about the Luminor Due is that it is one of the least intrusive, most balanced Panerai designs to date – and this, being a new take from Panerai, is finally something that praises the work of today's Panerai designers, not those from two generations ago.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

The magical combination of a perfectly round bezel and a cushion case needs no introduction to anyone who has ever liked a Panerai design, but the Due does offer a different take on the longstanding recipe. First, the bezel is very thin but, with its steep edge and relatively considerable height, it stands out enough that it doesn't appear too small or fragile. The cushion case is a take not on the regular Luminor, but rather, the Luminor 1950 with the profile turning upwards and into the upper corners, rather than running into vertical lines. This further enhances that slender, filigree look, while the neatly defined (and equally nice-to-the-touch) edge that runs along the full length of the side adds some visual interest and a nice tactile element.

The short, narrow, curved lugs and the minute space between the strap and the edge of the case all appear thoughtfully designed and, again, the drilled holes serve as a nod towards the Luminor Due's tool watch ancestors – even if this second chapter very clearly isn't one.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Something I could not get bored of over the three or so weeks that I had the PAM674 was the slim crown protector bridge – and that, I understand, certainly sounds like a contender for this month's coveted "Nerdiest Sentence of the Month" award. It completely transforms the look of this ubiquitous component. While the regular crown protectors I found at times were large for the sake of being large or just simply too bulky, every time I saw this one peeking out from under a shirt sleeve, I just had to rotate my wrist and take a better look at it. Maybe that's just me, but something definitely ticked as this polished bridge sat so neatly nearby the complex corner of the case. If, for whatever reason, you want a similar Panerai without a crown guard, the Radiomir 1940 PAM572 is essentially the same (hands-on here).

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Legibility & Wearability

Legibility is good, as the reflective outlines of the hands contrast nicely against the satin look of the dial. The dark grey sandwich dial of the Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 actually has a very subtle sunburst finishing to it that is completely unnoticeable under low-light conditions and stands out only when hit by strong light at an angle. It is a nice, quality detail but one that will take the back seat next to other dial elements. Lume is good, though as is normal for non-traditional lume colors like this one in tan, the green glow is not as bright and lasting as it is on regular Panerais.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

The crystal, like on most Panerais, is simply way too reflective. I have a theory that says this added reflectivity gives a subconscious, unidentified sense of enhanced "luxury" to those who know absolutely nothing about watches and are just going with the "the shinier the more valuable" approach. Given the wide popularity and market that Panerai is in, I guess this is a tactic that works. This noted, I genuinely cannot think of any other possible explanation – and I know even this one is a bit of a stretch. Still, the reflectivity of the crystal is so "good" that it gives a remarkably sharp image of whatever is behind or over you. You can see your face when you look at it or the back of your phone as you try and take a picture, or the individual leaves on the trees above. Under some lighting conditions, reflectivity is not too bad – it is in outdoor environments where it really becomes too much.

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Panerai Luminor Due 3 Days Automatic PAM674 Watch Review Wrist Time Reviews

Wearability has been excellent, even if this 45mm version, again, is more ideal for those with 7.5" or larger wrists. Because it is thin, the PAM674 does not get caught up on sleeves, it just slides under, which makes it that much more comfortable to wear. The 24mm-wide black strap was thin by Panerai standards and, with its tang buckle, easy to put on. The strap I ended up wearing with the PAM674, though, was this tan piece from Junik, which worked so much better with the overall looks. When buying, I would definitely ask the boutique/store to replace the factory black strap to something of this color since, as a daily wearer, this is just a much more vibrant, but no less elegant combination. Furthermore, you can always pick up an aftermarket black strap for twenty bucks or so to wear on more formal occasions.

What do you think?
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  • TechUser2011

    Why are you reviewing this watch with a 3rd-party strap? That is incredibly misleading.

    “this tan piece from Junik, which worked so much better with the overall looks”
    That is your opinion. When reviewing a watch, just stick to the OEM merchandise and the facts.

    • David Bredan

      I added images of the watch on the original strap and mentioned all you need to know about it (wearability, thickness, buckle, etc) and said you’re better off if you ask for a different color strap in the boutique and just get a cheaper black strap. I am not sure what more information there is to provide, but thank you for your feedback. I will continue changing the straps if I feel that makes a better match, but will always provide images of the watch on the OEM strap as well as details on that.

      • Richard Baptist

        I for one appreciate that you try different straps that give me ideas. Please continue to do what you’re doing. Thanks.

        • David Bredan

          Will do – but I will of course continue to provide all information and images about the factory strap as well. Appreciate the feedback – and support.

      • TechUser2011

        It is nice that you enjoy changing straps, but the first three photos of the watch in this article are misleading. The lede photo should really have the merchandise in its OEM state.

      • G Street

        Fair play to you, David. You must really hate having to contend with the comments section sometimes! 🙂

    • What do you mean by misleading? That someone might be misled into buying (or not buying) the watch because they saw the third party strap and thought that this must be the OEM strap?

      If you don’t want opinions why not just read the press release directly from Panerai?

      • TechUser2011

        Yes, that is exactly what I’m referring to. It’s like reading a review of a new car, but the reviewer modified the body. Just stick to the facts. I know millennials want to show that they are special and have important opinions, but the job of the reviewer is to present base facts and provide ancillary opinions as a secondary facet, not the other way around.

        • David Bredan

          You had all the information you could possibly need, not sure what more guidance you, such an experienced and smart non-millennial can possibly require to have your own special and important opinion about a strap on a watch.

    • Luciano

      Adding to other replies, you can easily change the original OEM strap when negotiating in the Panerai Boutique. That’s what I did when I bought my PAM233.

  • ??????

    Thanks for review, David. Like the strap choice.

    The watch itself is a miss. It looks like a pancake at 45 mm: like someone took Luminor and crushed it flat. I believe the 42 mm version looks slightlt better; the proportions in 45 mm are totally gone.

    30M water resistance is a joke itself, but the crown guard? Joke^2. It reminds me of fake Panerai: when it looks like Panerai, but it will leak in water.

    Finally – bad value proposition at almost $11k (as usual with Panerai). Dial finish looks mediocre at best and this nasty AR… What I liked is the movement, love the microrotors.

    • David Bredan

      Thank you for your feedback, Nikita.

      As always, proportions are best judged when the watch is seen in the metal – it did appear very pancake-y (ahem) to me too when I first saw it on images, but in the raw, on and off the wrist the Luminor Due actually does look great — to my eyes, at least. Also, as it happens in the majority of cases, 42 is just more proportional — and here better value too.

      A (just) 5-figure price is not as competitive as it perhaps could be, but it actually is in the lower tier when compared to many other micro-rotor equipped watches.

      • ??????

        I haven’t seen the watch in real life, so I won’t argue here. Regarding micro-rotor and a just 5 figure price tag – yes, but there are few exceptions. Parmigiani Tondas also start around $10k, but you may find Slim d’Hermes slightly north of $5k. There are some examples from Vaucher manufacture calibers. Anyway, I don’t like the situation when you can only get a micro-rotor in the luxury segment. If we look at vintage pieces – we can see many affordable micro-rotors from Buren, Universal Geneve, even Piaget: http://www.chrono24.com/piaget/18k-automatic-cal-12p–id3281024.htm

        I know that most of them were expensive at their time of glory, but still.. Frederique Constant, please develop a micro-rotor watch below 4k!

        • ???

          To me, the Slim d’Hermes has probably the best dial and the worst layout of the movement in micro-rotor watches. What a shame! If they adopted the layout of Parmigiani or Chopard LUC, I would run to grab one without any doubt.

          • ??????

            What do you mean by layot? I think it has a typical VMF layot, similar to Parmigiani. Or you are talking about the finishing?

          • ???

            I mean the shape/arrangement of the bridges.

          • ??????

            Yes, I’d also prefer the 1.96 by L.U.C. or Parmigiani.

  • JF Schnell

    Nice good looking watch… except the black strap the rest makes it even nicer. The only problem is at 45mm too big for my wrist. (just don’t undersand why a lot of watchmakers are on dope these days not all wrists are that big)

    • Phineasfreak

      It comes in 42mm aswell. At least they give us an option. If someone with big wrists wants a Rolex, they need to go SDDS or YM2 and it´s a pretty big $ increase.

    • David Bredan

      It’s a rare thing but here Panerai does offer a 42mm version (with a few differences, but a comparable “vibe”)

  • Bill Davidson

    It’s been said before, but I’d soon get tired of looking at REG. T.M. all day.

    • Berndt Norten

      They put that there, I assume, because this is one of the easiest ‘luxury’ watches to replicate. If you’ve ever seen a Parnis in person, you knows what I means. For $100 to $200 they achieve, at a glance, a large % of the real brand’s look. Sure, the backside is a let down but….

  • SuperStrapper

    I wish my luminor was as slim as this. But I prefer that mine has actual water resistance.

    I actually already have a strap order in the queue for a Due Panerai. Looking forward to handling one. I’d like to try on the 42mm variant here. Although if I buy another PAM I’m sure it will be a 1940.

  • Mischa

    I like this a lot. Being so thin, it will surely look better in 42mm, but then again you’d miss the great movement. Pity about the price tag, it feels a tad bit overpriced.

  • Word Merchant

    Can’t get past the tiny seconds sub-dial, all squashed in. Looks very unbalanced to me. Otherwise, nice.

  • So David. Is Panerai using traditional spring bars for this case? I see no screw head slot in the side views, or detent button on the case back.

    • David Bredan

      Yes, just regular spring bars – no little notches for a spring bar tool on the inside of the lugs, you just use the pin tool to remove the spring bar through the drilled lugs.

  • Donald Ford

    I never understood where the Due, Doo eh or whatever fit in… You wouldn’t just get a “real” Panerai? A 560 or a 422? Both cheaper than this, both with water resistance that isn’t a direct slap in the face? To each his own. I’m sure they’ll sell some.

    • MailGebbons

      The prices are insane now, just getting into watchblogs again after purchasing some watches in 2009-2010 (seiko 5 and IWC pilot) and went online looking for a local watchmaker for my IWC, found the same blogs again, yay. Why are everything so incredible expensive now? The speedmaster I see have been milked so sore now and the regular one are in Rolex territory in my country. Back in the 2009-10 when I looked to buy it were one of the more affordable and safest one to get, now it is easy 2-3 times more for a new one than it was back then. Wish my salary doubled in 7 years which it kind of did since I was a student back then but 10K+ for this panerai! They should make a non water resistant Panerai for 15K just to make a meta-branding statement. Make som lore around a sinked U-Boat they found with a cache of non WR Panerais that works 75 years after. Edition of 75. Sorry for rant folks.

      • Donald Ford

        They’re beginning to reap the “fruits” of what they’ve done man, no doubt about that. Ask your econ professor how things work out when a producer floods a market with product while continuing to charge scarce goods prices. All while not marketing to nor even attempting to understand how to market to the next generation in line. They’re sitting in their stuffed chair pretending not to hear, but reality is at the door knocking.

  • Omegaboy

    David, I beg to differ. In my book, the case on this watch and the case on, say, the Radiomir 574 are the most beautiful cases ever created on any watch.

    • David Bredan

      To each their own – but, funnily enough, the PAM574 case itself should be exactly the same as the 42mm version of this, the only difference is the crown guard. But the case looks exactly the same to me.

  • BNABOD

    ok so 42mm is reasonable territory for the average size homo sapiens but 8K is far from average. so you get the Panerai look with:
    a/ the glare on the crystal
    b/ the strap that sucks
    c/ the crown guard that digs
    d/ the nonexistent water resistance
    e/ of course no micro rotor since that is another 2500 bucks

    sign me up stat

  • Simonh

    I am never sure with Panerai, they look so good close up, but a little further away they can look like a low value watch, especially when the diameter gets so large.

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  • JozefX

    Every time I see these expensive watches photographed with a crown or other steel protrusion laying on a rocky surface, I get queasy. I know how little it takes to scratch polished steel.

    As for the watch itself, it looks nice, but there are clearly problems with it. On top of the already listed ones, I have to add that the case, at least from these photos, doesn’t appear to have a $10K watch finish quality. The steel bezel around the crystal especially has some kind of chintzyness to it, for some reason that I can’t put my finger on.

    Crown guard also appear like a dishonest design addition to this watch, which by design has practically no water resistance. It’s like “here, we’ve put this protrusion to shield you from the point of impact failure, but oops, we forgot to secure anything else otherwise, so the water gets in anyway”. A poseur design element.

    • Mark1884

      I concur. Seeing a watch sitting on a gritty surface such as rock or brick, makes me uneasy.
      Back to the buffing wheel !

  • Saul Sloota

    You should buy one of these. This line will probably not last very long and then maybe you’ll have a rare, in-demand piece that you can make a return on in 20 years.

  • Greg Dutton

    It’s great that we get a slimmer, smaller offering from Panerai, but for me the total lack of WR would render it useless as an everyday watch. Obviously Panerai is making a choice here to not offer decent WR, despite their diver origins and the iconic crown guard on this watch. It’s emblematic of the idiotic games the Swiss industry plays with the features they offer their watches.

  • Chaz

    What about that special edition Bonati designed just for the hardest of the hard core “Paneristi” called the Luminor Douché?

  • Marius

    I quite like this watch as it has a very original case & dial design that will set you apart from the usual Rolex/Omega/Breitling wearer, and the in-house movement is quite decent too. Nevertheless, asking between $8,000 and $10,000 for a steel three-hander is absolutely absurd.

    I’m currently visiting Vienna, where the authorized dealer Wagner has a fairly large number of Panerais on stock. While the case and dial are clearly of a good quality (it’s superior to Tag, Hublot, or Tudor), for me, it’s slightly lower than that of JLC or Glashutte Original. With today’s CNC machines and CAD software it’s really not that difficult to obtain such a quality level. Similarly, the caliber is quite decent, but it has a rather mediocre finish. Okay, it features a micro-rotor, but in-person, the micro-rotor didn’t impress me that much, and the caliber is machine-made and machine-finished anyway.

    Personally, I can’t really understand where the $10,000 are going. For instance, a JLC Master Control Sector costs under $6,000, yet, features a much better-finished movement as well as a higher quality case & dial. Of course, Panerai has a very original design, but still, this watch is at least twice as expensive as it should be. More importantly, though, Panerai has lost a great deal of its exclusivity. Not a long time ago, getting a Panerai would be quite difficult as even prestigious authorized dealers had very few models available, and most were sold in advance. Nowadays, most ADs have a large delection of Panerais on stock, and they’re not selling very well. Last year, the Richemont Group spent over $300 million to buy back stock from ADs, and a large portion of these watches were Panerais. Under these circumstances, it’s highly optimistic to charge $10,000 for a steel three-hander, but who knows, maybe the Panerai & Richemont management are onto something.

    • David Bredan

      Pricing sure could always be lower – though, in truth, watches (like any other product ever) will over time always cost exactly as much as the majority of customers are willing to pay for it. If this watch sells for 8-10k, then so be it – and if it doesn’t, we’ll see that soon enough as well. The overall premium for a freshly developed movement, launched in a new collection actually isn’t outrageous – but, again, I agree it could be more competitively priced, even if that’s difficult to comment on until we know how well this collection does in the mid-term.

      A few corrections.

      1) While the JLC is pretty good value at $5,700, it objectively doesn’t have a higher quality case or dial, period.

      2) The movement finishing is a bit of apples to oranges, but the JLC actually boasts an objectively inferior intricacy of finishing to the one seen here. The JLC 899/1 is a (rather petite) traditional movement finished as they all are, with fancy-looking, but machine applied Côtes de Genève and gold text, but zero anglage. The rotor is nice.

      http://www.ablogtowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Jaeger-LeCoultre-Master-Control-Date-caseback-9.jpg

      When you actually look at it (I feel like this comparison of yours comes more from the routine of “traditional brand/technique > more modern brand/technique”) the JLC has the same low number of plates as this P.4000 (one big plate that covers most all of the movement and two smaller cocks), but none of them on the JLC have anglage even remotely comparable to the one on this Panerai – the Panerai has long, beveled, polished anglage around the edges, none of that anywhere on the JLC apart from the rotor. JLC offers a wide range of movements and a wide range of prices, and while for $5,700 it is a nice-looking movement, it simply isn’t made in as many steps and with as many details as this Panerai.

      The machines that perform the machined finishing on the top surfaces of either of said movements perform to the exact same tolerances, the JLC is under no circumstances a “much better-finished” movement. One may prefer old-school striping to the Panerai’s brushed top, but to say there is a difference in quality is just incorrect.

      3) Micro-rotor movements will always cost more than traditional automatics since, for one, they cost more to develop and, second, brands understand buyers can be charged a premium for a more rare feature (as they do in every industry). Sure, if the same base caliber is used by a range of different brands, that might bring the price down (see the one from Vaucher).

      4) The 42mm version of this Panerai costs $2,200 more than that JLC, but the movement is in a different league – 3 Days not 38 hours (!), and an incomparably more complex look and yes, better overall finishing – though still machine-produced, of course. Of the three (the JLC and the two Panerais), that’s the one I’d get.

      5) As for Panerai availability, a lot of that previously experienced scarcity was not because of huge demand, and the increased availability these days is not simply because of extremely low demand (there clearly has been a massive drop, but not this big). Rather, Panerai is doing much better now than it did “not a long time ago” in actually getting products out the factory door and shipping and distributing them more evenly across the globe. You either play the exclusivity card or offer many SKUs so everyone finds one they like – the latter is what most brands have been doing lately (yes, even the traditional ones).

      • Marius

        I’m sorry, but I find your arguments a bit hard to believe.

        Firstly, you argue that: “While the JLC is pretty good value at $5,700, it objectively doesn’t have a higher quality case or dial, period.” Based on what technical aspects do you base this statement? I handled quite a few Panerais, but I didn’t have the impression that the case-finishing was on par with JLC — especially if you consider that JLC cases feature a more complex case construction, bevelled lugs, etc.

        Secondly, charging $10,000 for a steel three-hander is extremely exaggerated, micro-rotor or not. Nowadays, $10,000 can buy you a JLC Master Extreme Chronograph, and for around $8,000 you can get very capable chronographs equipped with in-house calibers such as the Breitling Navitimer (also a newly-developed caliber), or the Zenith El Primero. In fact, a Lange Saxonia 37 costs around $14,000, and that’s a gold watch with an ultra-thin, highly-finished movement from a highly-prestigious brand. So I really don’t see how Panerai could justify this price, especially considering that producing a micro-rotor movement these days is not exactly super challenging.

        Thirdly, you argue that: “The 42mm version of this Panerai costs $2,200 more than that JLC, but the movement is in a different league – 3 Days not 38 hours (!), and an incomparably more complex look and yes, better overall finishing – though still machine-produced, of course.” In my opinion, that`s an exaggeration.

        From a finishing perspective, the only advantage that Panerai has is the machine-applied anglage on the bridges. However, JLC has a perlaged base plate, Geneva stripes, a solid-gold rotor, and blued screws. Personally, I find the JLC caliber much more attractive.
        From a technical perspective, it’s true that Panerai has a 3 day PR, and a micro-rotor. Yet, JLC also has some interesting features such as a variable inertia balance wheel, ceramic ball-bearings for the rotor, and the 1000 Hr Control Test, which Panerai doesn’t have. What’s more, the JLC caliber is a tried & tested, reliable movement, whereas the Panerai is still a question mark.

        • Josh Krut

          JLC is a very underrated brand. It is pretty much a better value in terms of finishing than anything else. However, the brand is just not so popular in the USA — no matter how good their watches, people aren’t buying.

          • ??????

            Absolutely agree. JLC and GS are two brands that are so much underrated by people, no matter how well do they do their watches. Well, they don’t have such strong “successful man” aura as Rolex 🙂

        • David Bredan

          You were comparing *that specific JLC to this specific Panerai* – not sure what pleasure there is in suddenly broadening the scope of the discussion just to try and negate what I said for the hell of it. In my review of a more simple Luminor from a month or so ago I literally said: “The PAM561 has a fully polished case which is not as impressive as exteriors with alternating finishings can be.”

          What I said remains correct: that specific JLC compared to this Panerai objectively does not have a higher quality case or dial. You want technical aspects from me and yet in the same sentence you bring up your “impression” – I’ll leave that at that.

          Second, the comparisons you make here make very little sense – a lot like comparing apples to elephants, really. The El Primero has been in production for ages, and yes, the JLC Master Extreme Chronograph can be had for around 10k “nowadays”, but retail on that was more like 14.5-15k – so there. Lange is a completely different thing altogether – Panerai is not after the Lange Saxonia customer with this watch. The Lange could be in the same watch store for the same price as this Luminor Due but if what the customer wants is a Panerai, he won’t care about the Lange (or any other watch). The Luminor Due is a clever extension of the Luminor line – how about acknowledging that for a second?

          Third, I respect your opinion – and will stick to mine in that that movement is a very different thing. JLC can do stuff like that and better too – but not for $5,700.

          Traditional vs more modern movement decoration is just another question that I’m happy exists – I wouldn’t want to see the same perlage+Geneva stripe everywhere (what the heck, lately I’ve been drawn to liking movements exactly without blued screws). To each their own, really. I do agree that it’d be great to see Panerai communicate more about their movement testing procedures – but from years of experience I learned that I’ve hardly ever had any issues with movements… but super short PR have always annoyed and disappointed me. In my book, all watches over, say, 5k should have 3 days of power reserve (and excellent AR coating… mind you, that’s not the complete wish list).

      • Classic Italian marketing/ manufacturing. make just a few when everyone wants one and too many when no one does anymore.

    • Sheez Gagoo
      • Berndt Norten

        Rock us, Amadeus.

  • Raymond Wilkie

    Wow, this is so different from every other Panerai

    • IG

      Yeah, this watch opens a new chapter in Panerai’s rich design history.

    • Ross Diljohn

      I can’t believe they went in such a radical direction. Well done.

  • TrevorXM

    Nice looking watch. Why such weak water resistance? Why so much money? There are no legitimate answers to this. If I were to ever buy a Panerai, this would not be the one.

  • Raymond Wilkie

    Just looks like any other Panerai.

  • Sheez Gagoo

    No AR-coating, 30m waterresistance for a diverbrand, crown protection (for what? Obviously not water), simple case, but well done and I admit, at least a decent movement. For 10k. What a deal.

  • Raymond Wilkie

    Have we decided what the difference between a boutique and a shop is yet ?

    • Saul Sloota

      Yeah, if they’ll let you inside it’s just a shop.
      😉 😉

    • Sheez Gagoo

      The boutique would say “Monsieur, monsieur sìl vout plait quittez lìmmeuble immediadement” the shop would say “discount is around 55% if you buy two of them”:

    • Word Merchant

      Yes, it’s around £2,500.

    • You’re not nearly beautiful enough to work in a boutique. That’s the difference 🙂

    • ??????

      If you don’t sweat like a whore in a church when coming in – then it’s a shop

  • WolverBilly

    Who wears these clown watches, anyway? I’ve never ever seen a Panerai in the wild, and would probably think Captain America lost his shield if I did. As typical for this awful blog, there’s no real empirical information like full dimensions, it’s weight, it’s accuracy (you do know how to do that, right?) the range of sizing with the standard strap/bracelet, the warranty, even the actual price. Good Work. Instead we get the kind of BS anyone could make up by just looking at pictures of the damn thing. No wonder you guys runs so many sponsored posts. But you WILL grant us your preferred strap color choice. But hey, I forget the peerless knowledge that the watch blogger passes on to the world, free of charge on the internet. “It was well-documented that I wasn’t convinced about this new, second chapter for the much-loved Luminor collection.” Indeed, this documentation was everywhere, and even overshadowed the Trump campaign’s Russian connections for a few news cycles. Why you didn’t share with us your take on the watch’s scent when applying it in a gentle summer shower next to the septic tank is one of the great mysteries of pointless marketing-based prose. No wonder I hate the WIS community, and the blogs/forums/youtube channels that wheeze along supporting it. You are all a bunch of pretentious brats. Thanks God the watches themselves don’t read this foul poop. So there.

    • Sheez Gagoo

      Chill, most informations you ask for are in the article, second page. Accuracy on a mech. watch is hard to provide, everyone behaves differently. No need for such a rant, nobody buys these watches anymore. Keep your energy for things that matter. That`s for sure not watches, take a second beer, a second joint enjoy the weather (here it`s nice) and use this blog for escapism and not for non-horological problems, read the article first and then give a kind of constructive or at least funny comment to the community.

      • WolverBilly

        There’s ANOTHER PAGE?! Good God, I’m dreadfully embarrassed. I must be one of those trolls you read about. Yet another reason to never read a watch blog again. Your community is safe.

        • Sheez Gagoo

          You’re always welcome.

    • Saul Sloota

      Domino’s Pizza. June. The Bredan Rejoinder. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/909e616f51c006fcafe93349a0c1810c88e628aec4d3ffc0581d48d12f80e0df.jpg Things that will be here soon. Things that will be here soon.

    • David Bredan

      Good thing this is the internet, finally a place where you can vent – I am especially happy that you found my article and considered this to be the right place and time to find comfort.
      I am not sure how much more “real” and less pretentious you can get than this being pretty much the only blog (and definitely the first) to call the Due a poorly named thing, or to put a reviewed watch on a strap and say it’s sold with the wrong one. It was a well-balanced review – if you want mere facts, read a spec sheet. Good luck finding other “reviews” with this much time spent on elaborating on details and photography.
      Dimensions have been mentioned but I will not weigh the watches unless it is requested in such a sad and miserable way.
      Accuracy changes from one watch to the other, so if I tell you this ran 3 seconds fast over the course of 2 weeks on average, that will make you come back and whine some more if yours runs 4 seconds too fast.
      With this, my attention span and empathy dedicated to this discussion has reached its limits. You have a nice day.

      • Saul Sloota

        Please weigh the watch.

        • David Bredan

          In upcoming reviews, I will.

          • Garrett Hu

            Just curious if anyone here falls in love with a watch, determined to buy but doesn’t because it’s too heavy or light when handled in person? Not trying to argue the need to weigh a watch for a review but I expect a Ti watch to be a bit on the lighter side and a 44mm chunk of stainless steel to be heavier. But I have never handled a watch that was too light or too heavy for me to comfortable wear. I think my heaviest is the Sinn U1000 on bracelet that weighs in at over 200g and that’s pretty heavy for the first 10 minutes then you get used to it.

      • Garrett Hu

        Hi David, thanks for the great review. I have tried writing one myself and I must admit it’s harder than most think. Keep up the good work! However I continue to be perplexed as to why people continue to do the things they hate. As the above comments from WolverBilly suggest hating the WIS community. Then why read this blog in the first place? We are a bunch of reasonable people, we don’t need people like that…to be honest I don’t think anyone does.

    • Garrett Hu

      A lot of people I know have Panerai watches in their collection and I do see them in the wild, actually more than I like to as they used to be somewhat hard to come by. If this is an awful blog then why be here?

      Pretentious? perhaps only to people who have a self confidence issues, or you’re hanging out with the wrong crowds. I have nothing but the best down to earth conversations regardless of personal financial status where no one looks down on someone with less. As long as you share the same passion, you can carry on a fun conversation as an equal.

      A few are extremely wealthy, but most WIS are hard working people like me (lol) that are determined to have what we enjoy. So if I am able to buy a Panerai or a Patek and share my thoughts with them with a community makes me pretentious? Then I guess I’m / we are all guilty.

      In that case you should stay away from pretentious brats like us here and never return.

    • Stefan Pertz

      WolverBilly.. if you hate the WIS community so much, why did you actually spend so much time to read the complete review and on top of that go on to attack the writer with your nasty prose, instead of just going about your life??? Why didn’t you add value by saying “By the way folks, I tried the watch and it is accurate / not accurate”….??

      Seeing that you are such an esteemed journalist with lots of experience as to how to create unbiased (i.e. not influenced by advertising), why not you create your own channel to discuss watches?

  • Jerry Davis

    All of the automatic, disparaging comments from the
    “OH MY GOD I CAN’T BELIEVE IT’S MORE THAN 42MM!!”
    crowd is getting really old….
    or maybe they are just really old.

  • Allan

    I used to be a big fan of panerai but they release far too many watches and they do look fairly similar. The water resistance of this watch is shocking though, that should never be the case considering their heritage.

  • commentator bob

    The power reserve is not that impressive. 72 hours, compared to 80 hours in any of the multiple Swatch Group watches using variations of the Powermatic 80 movement that can be had for under $500. Swatch Group uses lower frequency to conserve energy, Panerai uses a little baby balance wheel out of a women’s watch to conserve energy. Both theoretically impact timekeeping reliability. But it is the Powermatic 80 that is available COSC certified.

    By the way, the COSC certified dress watch version of the Powermatic 80? It has 20 M more depth rating than this Panerai. And it’s thinner.

    http://us.tissotshop.com/tissot-luxury-powermatic-80-cosc-5.html

    • johnwithanh

      I nominate this as one of the top 10 Panerai takedowns of all time. The depth rating observation is the Mike Tyson’s Punch Out uppercut.

    • Phil leavell

      nicely done , maybe Panerai will get swallowed up to !

  • Auto Correct

    I like Panfry!

  • otaking241

    As a fan of the brand I can’t find anything objectionable about this iteration. On the other hand I don’t see anything to really recommend it over the others in the line. Thinner I guess?

    Seems like more companies are following BMW and other automakers with the philosophy that more choice is an absolute “good,” without regard to whether the choices are really distinguishable in any meaningful way. Personally I’d rather have fewer, better choices.

  • Ulysses31

    It looks nice. It’s legible enough. Some aspects are a bit half-assed. It’s what I expect from Panerai nowadays, unfortunately – very little effort put into standing out or even paying attention to details (such as the reflection issue). While I do like some models, I always get the impression that they do the bare minimum they can get away with to insure sales continue to tick over. If this brand died, no one would care.

    • G Street

      The Paneristi would care. The brand might not be in vogue these days but I do think you are dismissing it too lightly, especially when it continues to be appreciated by some dedicated collectors.