MKII Paradive Watch Review

MKII Paradive Watch Review

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When it comes to our hobby of watches, getting acquainted with all that is out there can feel very much like you took the red pill, and there's no sign of the end of the rabbit hole depths. This means, of course, that there can be a lot to learn about, and all manner of brands to become acquainted with. Some folks will tend to specialize eventually - focusing in, perhaps, on a singular style or type of watch, or aligning themselves with a particular marque. For myself (both as a writer and personally), I've maintained a healthy interest in the smaller boutique brands, as they tend to turn out some rather interesting stuff at great price points. Today's review of the MKII Paradive, fits very neatly into that mold.

As a matter of fact, MKII is one of those brands I ran into very early on in my watch career, but that always remained on the periphery. As time went on, I became more and more aware of what the brand was producing, and when the opportunity popped up to review one of their models here at ABTW, I eagerly put my hand up. MKII models are known (or at least seem to be known in my head) for their clean, almost sterile re-interpretation of watches from days gone by.

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The MKII Paradive that we were sent over for review is a military watch, but it's not derived from anything that was commercially available. Rather, they went into government specs, and settled on a watch that was issued to US Special Forces (and CIA maritime units) for a few decades from the 1960's to the mid-1980's. Rather than simply copying out what the specs said, and making a consumer-level variant, they went and did something that seems very similar to what resto-modders do for old cars - start with the original, keep the external design mostly intact, and then upgrade and improve like crazy wherever you can.

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The end result is a watch that looks very much like the original, but will be much more reliable and solidly built. Of course, being the watch geeks that we are, we want to know what all of the improvements that were made are. For starters, the engine has had a significant upgrade (to the ETA 2836-2), and how that movement is protected has been vastly improved as well (addition of a HEV, more durable crown/tube design, swapping the acrylic crystal for an AR-coated sapphire one).

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Safety and comfort (to carry the automotive analogy along a bit further) also saw improvements.  On the safety side, the original (per military spec) bezel was a bi-directional; on the MKII Paradive interpretation it's gone to a more-common (at least, these days) uni-directional.  Perhaps not as critical of a change on our 12-hour example, but still a welcome one. On the comfort side of the equation, they stuck with the original "monocoque" design, but took it to a three-part design, enhancing the serviceability of the MKII Paradive (and more on that case shape in a bit).

Last, but certainly not least, they gave things a fresh finish. The 41mm case carries a butter-smooth satin finish, topped by a bezel full of that new-car shine. That's courtesy of engraved numbers filled with luminous enamel paint (so they shouldn't wear off like an anodized bezel), set into a hardened aluminum inlay that is coated the same way aluminum parts on the M-16 rifle are. Oh, yeah, and it's all topped by sapphire, so the sheen matches that of the main crystal. So, aside from another subtle military reference, you've got some assurance of the bezel being able to stand up to hard wear.

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As you can tell, this is a watch that's military-grade, through and through. On the wrist, however, it's not one that really screams out that heritage. While I had the MKII Paradive on, I really felt like it flew under the radar - it's not overly large, doesn't involve any military company logos (or use of camo) - feeling like, well, a solidly-built everyday sort of a watch. This is due to just how cleanly the MKII Paradive presents - it's a purpose-built watch (owing to it's mil-spec roots) that doesn't have anything extraneous. Even the company logo takes a knee in deference to the overall design (I do rather like how it sneaks in under the 6 o'clock index).

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On the wrist, the attention to detail is evident. The dial of the MKII Paradive is clean and crisp, with perfectly color-matched day and date wheels. The lumed handset is well-proportioned, with the sweeping seconds hand that reaches out to the edge of the dial. As I mentioned earlier, the curved design of the case does certainly help to hug the watch closer to your wrist, even with the domed case back. This makes for a nice fit on the wrist, which is further helped along by one of the thinnest (and comfortable) rubber straps that I've seen on a watch.

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While I found a lot to like with the MKII Paradive watch, there was one design feature I wasn't as sure of, at least at the start - the integrated crown protection on the case. While I understand that it makes for a smoother look (and perhaps some ease of manufacturing), while affording protection for the crown (and removing points that might otherwise snag on something), it does make for an off-balance case, in terms of visual weight.  As I spent time with the MKII Paradive watch, though, that was something that just kind of faded away - plainly put, you get used to it.

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While the Paradive was my first experience with MKII, I came away from my time with the MKII Paradive watch mightily impressed. Attention to detail and fit-and-finish on the $1,495 (if you want a sapphire bezel, it's $1,695) watch are top-notch, and there really doesn't seem like there's an element out of place. While I'm still not a huge fan of the monocoque case style, it works well for the overall look and feel of the watch. Given how they executed the military spec, this is one of those rare mil-watches you can wear daily without it seeming out of place. In other words, I think it would be a good watch for many people, not just those who are fans of mil-spec watches.  mkiiwatches.com

Necessary Data 
>Brand:  MKII
>Model: Paradive
>Price: $1,495 ($1,695 for the sapphire bezel)
>Would reviewer personally wear it: Absolutely - for a military-inspired watch, this is one of the most subtle (and solid) ones I've spent time with
>Friend we'd recommend it to first: This is, I think, a perfect watch for just about anyone - not just those into mil-spec items
>Worst characteristic of watch: The only nitpick I had with this watch was the unbalanced (left-right) design of the case
>Best characteristic of watch: For being a no-nonsense watch, the details are excellent, and keep it from being a boring piece
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  • Rock on solid watch with some subtle but awesome features. I actually think the asymmetric case is kind of cool and fun.
    Thanks!

  • Ulysses31

    A solid and minimalist take on a diver with a lovely finish.  The by now ubiquitous dial style and lack of branding makes it look like a DIY custom job.

  • I appreciate how the hoour marking on the bezel effectively give you a second time zone (but without a day/night reference) but when used as an dive elapsed time indicator, minutes rather than hours would seem to make more sense. Or are other bezel options available?
    The integrated crown protection does not bother me and if anything further contributes to the 70s style of the watch. Agree with U31 that the dial style is ubiquitous.

  • Case size and thickness? Water resistance?

  • Twinbarrel

    Nice clean watch with surprising detail.
    The bezel indication relates more to skydiving as to deep sea diving.
    Practical skydiving watches are most often digital with built-in altimeter but the heritage based design makes it very attractive.
    I also appreciate the sapphire bezel finish. It is a difficult process and looks great. One of the reasons I like blancpain’s FF too. Price point is great.

  • Twinbarrel “The bezel indication relates more to skydiving as to deep sea diving.”
    Want to explain that one? A minute of free fall is a lot.So I don’t see how an hour scale is of much help when skydiving. The minute markings to 20 are fine but the hour scale only makes sense to me as a second time zone indicator (unless I’m missing something). Cheers.

  • Twinbarrel

    Hi Mark,
    It takes very roughly 10 seconds to fall the first 1,000 feet and then about 5 seconds for every subsequent 1,000 feet – so if an experienced skydiver falls for about 10,000 feet before deploying the parachute one will have had roughly 60 seconds of freefall.
    So what you would normally read as minutes would be seconds for thus purpose.

  • Twinbarrel Right, so a scale to 60 (for minutes or seconds) rather than to 12 ( for hours) would make sense. BTW – my friends  who use to skydive a lot (over 12 hours total free fall time) always their altimeter, not their watch, to determine when to pull. But yeah, they definitely tracked their total time “flying” (falling – I’m an old hang glider pilot so to me flying is not the same as falling, ha ha) as a logged thing, but not during the fall per se. Cheers.

  • BIGCHRONO

    MarkCarson 
    http://boutique.mkiiwatches.com/professional-series/paradive/diver-paradive-12hr-type1-date.html

    From the website: Diameter= 41.25 mm; 300 meters water resistance.

  • CG

    LMAO! The CIA Maritime Units?! I checked to see if it was still April 1st… Note to self, gotta return my SP1 since the parkerizing has worn off and faded from age, light exposure and O2… M16 finish doesn’t last with use.

  • bichondaddy

    I know it’s just me…but I would never consider dropping $1500 on one of these watches.  I don’t sky dive…I don’t scuba dive…although I enjoy snorkeling when my wife and I go on cruises…..but I have  several dive watches with 200 plus meters of WR….all in the 46 to 48 mm size.  ( Sorry…I don’t do anything under 46 mm…and I especially don’t do the black bezel, black dial watch!!! Oh…I’d rather not wear a watch than wear one that looks this watch…that’s how much I dislike the look!) It could be a great watch….and the company might make really great dive/tool watches….but I’d never purchase one.

  • MID

    I like this watch and I like MKII ( I have two.)  And they are surely nicer than some of the other indie divers out there.  But, at this price, it comes close to my Seiko MM300, agreat watch with a real heritage.

  • mgennone

    Enjoy your Invicta’s

  • spiceballs

    Chaz_Hen me too an the asymmetric case.  Realise there are so many choices in this type of watch out there but quite like it.  Nice design MKII.

  • Chaz_Hen The integrated crown protection looks just like what it is – integrated. Too often crown protectors look tacked on and not like they were part of the original design. For instance the Rolex Sub started off without them and what they have now is clearly tacked on (even though everyone is to used to seeing them that it does not register that way in their minds).

  • MikeinFrankfurt

    Ulysses31 Funny, that’s exactly what i was thinking…this could actually do with a nice, minimally stated logo in the proper place.  I’m not sure why, but I really like this otherwise…as you mention, the finishing looks great and I really like the asymmetric mil-looking case.  The price, however, “feels”  about 20-30% too high.  Perhaps, I’d need to see one in the metal!

  • henryus

    I used to be into indie watches such as this. In fact, when this came out a year or so ago, I drooled over it. It just looks darn good especially with the matching sapphire bezel! But I simply could not justify spending over 1k on an indie watch.

    Fast forward one year and I found Seiko divers. I bit the bullet and purchased a Seiko diver for about 1k USD. Since then, I have gained a lot of respect for Seiko especially with their engineering. Compared to swiss and indie watches I have purchased, Seiko has surprising amount of clever but robust engineering that indie watches simply cannot match at the price and the swiss will never sell at such a low price.

    Take for instance the bezel mechanisms on Seiko divers. They have cleverly slipped a gasket in the bezel so as to smooth it out and introduce a channel in which water can flow in and out to clear of debris that results in stuck bezels. It’s such a simple solution to the usual stuck bezel, I am not sure why more companies are not doing this. No indie watches do this.  Rolex uses ball-bearings, an expensive solution.

    If fact, if I could do this watch business again, I’d just get a SKX or a Monster and be call it a day. Sure they look like they came out of a dog’s ass, but when style has come and gone I find myself reaching for watches whose bezel does not get stuck as easily.

  • henryus “Sure they look like they came out of a dog’s ass” – that’s a new one to me. Sums up some styling attempts pretty well. Thanks for the laugh.

  • MikeinFrankfurt I don’t feel the price is out of line at all considering what you are getting for your money. Perhaps the generic looking dial and bezel (except for the blasted hour markings on it) make it seem too generic. It the dial, hands and bezel were as distinctive as the case you might feel differently. Cheers.

  • Ulysses31

    MikeinFrankfurt Ulysses31 Yeah, it has the look of something that was assembled with Seiko-compatible parts from eBay.  Perhaps it’s completely irrational of me but i’ve seen so many of these custom Seikos over the years that I don’t think I would want to pay so much when I could cook up something almost as good looking for far less.  A logo, either as a symbol or a bit of text, is something I feel is essential for any product.  Imagine a car without a badge on the grille – it would just look weird.  In a way I appreciate the modesty of having no obvious branding, but it also feels unfinished.

  • Ulysses31 Sounds like someone is missing “SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER” on the dial, ha ha.

  • Ulysses31

    MarkCarson MikeinFrankfurt Quite possibly.  I guess it has imprinted on my mind over the years that this look is a spin on a Seiko diver, which is not to say the Seiko is a bad watch (it isnt), but just that I can get the look and the solidity straight from them, save money, and it would have a logo too :P.  Hell I could probably pay to get it bead-blasted, reassembled, and still undercut this thing.

  • MID

    A bit more on this watch.  I checked MKII’s eboutique.  The watch is listed for $1,925. on rubber.  That easily puts it at the same price as the Seiko MM300.  Now, as I said below, I like MKII, but I adore my Marine Master.   This fact makes the Fulcrum a harder justification for me.   OTOH, if it speaks to you, then I’m sure you’re getting a great watch for the money.

    Also, I understand the comments about the dial missing a logo.  MKII has a rather discreet one (seen on the Fulcrum at 6:00,)  There may be too much negative space on the dial.  Making the logo more prominent may help.  For those who want more writing on the dial , how about “Genuine Wristwatch”?

  • MID

    I meant “Paradive” not “Fulcrum.”

  • MID Good idea. In keeping with that, cheap watches (in addition to “Genuine Leather” straps) might be labeled as having “Genuine Metal” cases and “Genuine Glass” crystals.

  • MarkCarson Chaz_Hen What happened to embedded crowns?  I remember watches with crowns hidden in the case until pulled out for a flush case look.

  • bichondaddy

    mgennone You do know that there are many companies making larger watches…right?  I am far sighted and don’t like having to put my glasses on just to read my watch while watching TV….so a large watch….preferably a pilots style watch, with large numerals is what I like.  Seems all the watch snobs in the world seem to think anyone who like a larger watch.  A puny little 38 – 40 mm watch might look great on your puny 5 1/2 inch wrist….but at 6’6″ tall….I am the size of an NFL Offensive lineman…and played college football as an O-Lineman….with a 23 cm wrist….I prefer something that doesn’t look like I have a dime strapped on my arm.  So next time you run into me in a store…please feel free to express your opinion as to what I wear to my face…

  • DG Cayse

    Another great review Mr. Kansa. I like your wording on several areas.

    I like the retro-style with up-to-date tech of these watches.
    Looks like a nice engineering interpretation of classic styles with close guidance of the manufacturing process.
    My question with this company is one of availability.
    I have heard/read many comments regarding items from MKII not being available other than in secondary(resale) markets.

    Any comments on this aspect?

  • marbstiu

    If u receive this on your graduation day, then your parents dont love you.

  • Jus_ad_bellum

    are you flipping kidding me? they were able to sell the Nassau at under $900 with a metal bracelet no less and this watch with the same movement as that they are selling at $1600 which you do not even remark on?

  • Jus_ad_bellum According to the MKII website, the Nassau now goes for $1045. This Paradise for $1695 includes a sapphire bezel. So your comparison should be to the non-sapphire bezel reference with is $1495. Still a healthy price difference ($450) even assuming that the specialty case costs MKII a lot more. Cheers.

  • Jus_ad_bellum

    MarkCarson from the MKII website “http://boutique.mkiiwatches.com/specialist-series/nassau/diver-nassau-1002.html

    Non-date (matte), Blk/Silver Bezel

    $895.00”
    I haven’t drank the Bill Yao kool aid, that watch is simply not worth that price and nothing can convince me otherwise

  • Jus_ad_bellum

    MarkCarson MikeinFrankfurt the price is BONKERS Mark. Like are you on Bill Yao’s payroll? This is a lily white plain ETA movement that is not COSC certified and is sold by the boatload.The original movement in the Type I is equally impressive. Anyone who buys one of these watches, instead of the original Benrus that this is aping and which can still be found in the wild in beautiful condition, has more money than brains.

  • Jus_ad_bellum

    Ulysses31 MikeinFrankfurt I love old Seikos but this is most certainly a rip on the old Benrus diver, which didn’t have a logo which is why this one doesn’t either, google “Benrus Type I”

  • Jus_ad_bellum So you are comparing the price for a non-date watch with a  day-date (ETA 2836) watch. Apples and oranges…

  • Watchlover

    Count me in. At 6’4″ and 230 these type of watches are nice but 40-42mm is to small for us bigger guys. I do have a Boschett Cave Dweller at 44mm that I enjoy but my wheel house is 46 to 48 also. The beauty of the watch world has watches for all of us though so to each his or her own…..– 🙂

  • bichondaddy

    Watchlover Thank you!!  Us big guys need a larger watch so they won’t look funny on us.  One of my friends gave me a 52 mm Invicta he didn’t like….it’s has an orange dial and strap that’s pretty gaudy….but…since I live near Austin Texas…orange is a pretty popular color with all the University of Texas football fans, so it kind of blends in around here.  Most of the time I wear one of my 46 mm Deep Blue’s, or a TW Steel.  For dress occasions…I usually wear one of my vintage watches…as I have been collecting vintage watches for a long time.  My prized possession is a 1920’s Bulova.  Art Deco style to the max!

  • Jus_ad_bellum

    MarkCarson 
    Apples and Oranges? Srsly?

    Go to the watch specs for both which are provided on the MKII website. Both have
    an ETA 2836-2 beating in their hearts. 
    The paradive which has three versions non-date, day and day/date are all being sold at $1495, with the additional $200 for the sapphire bezel. Is the paradive case that much better than the Nassau in your opinion? Because you’re sure paying through the nose for it regardless of whether you have a day/date complication or not.

    http://boutique.mkiiwatches.com/professional-series/paradive.htm
    I don’t have a hate on for Bill Yao but there is no indie watchmaker in this world that has a right to pull Rolex b.s’ing with a bloody Homage watch which is double the price of an earlier one, that likely had a moderately higher per unit price to produce. 
    End of the day the price should be a fair one (not a gift to me, I can respect that), I don’t think this is it at all.
     

    I can ignore the fact that all the reviewer did was desk dive it for a week, or whatever. I personally would appreciate it if he’d taken a swim at the Y and seen that the gaskets held up. Not the end of the world, most of these sold probably won’t see even the bottom of a sink, but please in the future when you can, get it wet. Whether you do or not, it’s a boon to people that actually do get their watches submerged that you indicate what its depth rating is (which I didn’t see in this review).
    Since I’m shooting for accuracy here, the Paradive depth is indicated on the site and it’s not that special. I have seen a used Sinn U2 going for the same price they want for their ‘base’ which would go about I dunno 1300 more ft downwards (not that I’d ever need that, but you know, THAT is military spec). That U2 was on a bracelet and serviced. Now THAT is value for money. 
    In terms of value for money here, I might as well start fresh and get the screaming out of the way first which will be a bit more expansive than just what I wrote earlier.
    My initial response was this:  ——->”OMFG, this is not some military spec watch what is he smoking? It it is a BENRUS HOMAGE WATCH and they are asking almost $1700 for that dubious distinction, before shipping and taxes” then I muttered about Christ dying for our sins for a minute and then I woke up on the floor hours later

    (Seriously digressing I know)
     

    Nassau vs. Paradive. Because MKII is offering the paradive with the EXACT same option as the cheaper Nassau I think it’s fair to use that as the point of comparison. It also begs the question why gouge the Nassau buyer for a complication they pay the same price for with a different watch IMHO.

    Movement:

    I believe I already addressed this above, but here once more whether with or without the day/date complication, that movement is a great one, it’s also sold by the truckload and clearly the additional day date complication inclusion in one vs the other isn’t the REAL reason for an increase in price, or they wouldn’t have the ‘base’ paradives all at the same selling point regardless of complication.

    Mark, lowly plebes like you or I, with a bit of looking could probably get that movement alone, with the day/date, for about $200. 

    I went to one website to try to confirm that but TZ Tool Shop apparently only carries a clone and I’m not chasing all over hell’s half acre at the moment. I quickly saw an amazon.com listing (probably real) and an ebay listing (probably a fake) which were about that above cited price. 
    So we have a $200 watch movement (give or take as much as $75 even) with a difference in complication between the Nassau I cited and some of the Paradives, but even when it’s entirely the same the Paradive is $1495 at base.

    So is the increased price all in the Paradive case? I mean it must be because it has a RUBBER STRAP.
     

    I want to come back to the case, but first the bracelet.

    BRACELET:

    The Nassau at either price, has a metal bracelet which almost universally adds some $ to most retail sales, the paradive is almost double the price from the get go with a cheaper strap.

    Given that you can find nice replacement
    dive bands from Isofrane at retail prices for around $90, that says to me and I hope you agree,  the rubber band isn’t pumping up the value between the Nassau and
    the Paradive.
    CASE:

    A sapphire bezel to it, that is the apparent $200 difference, but remember the Paradive in plain jane mode with a normal bezel is “butter smooth satin” whatever that is and still steel same as the Nassau and still $1495.
    Want to add value to the case? Make it DLC Titanium or at least DLC coat the steel case. So why not offer it in a DLC titanium, or at least why not DLC coat the case whether it’s steel or titanium? That would make it harder and an improvement on the Nassau. But they did neither, there are just differences of “style”, so why such a higher price, I certainly can’t see why.
    Crystal:
    Both have sapphire crystals, I have no idea if they have the exact same finish and coatings, I’m done going back to that site and looking. I also think you’d agree an AR coat vs. none increases the ability to appreciate it but doesn’t double value.
    The Magical Sapphire Bezel:
    The $200 dollar jump on the bezel just seems offensive given all the foregoing. It’s like someone somewhere is saying “Okay I already know you’re dumb because you’re paying way more for way less watch that has the same insides as another watch I am selling here on this same fleamarket table for less, so can I interest you in a magic bezel”
    Unless it was shat out a unicorns arse after rainbow hardening the bezel in a treatment like civet coffee beans, (Kopi luwak style) IMHO there is no real value there, certainly not to add a scratch resistant coating to the bezel on a case that will likely be equally scratch susceptible as the Nassau.
    Clear value for money winner is the Nassau if you’re looking at the MKIIs, both are homage watches, it’s not like either is an investment. I don’t see any justification for the increase on the Nassau between complications for the record, it seems like MKII doesn’t really either or there’d be that similar price jump between the paradives with and without it. So again, probably something the reviewer should have remarked on maybe?

  • Jus_ad_bellum My bad – I missed that they list on their website that they use an ETA 2836.  Which is a waste as they could have used a cheaper ETA movement (like a 2824) since they are not displaying the Day or Date (which a 2836 has) on their Nassau. Makes one wonder if the spec page is wrong or if he just has a stock of 2836 movements and put them in the various references.
    In the last 3 years prices for ETA movements have more or less tripled, so the price for the Paradive may be more of a reflection of current movement prices and a general price increase which the rest of his line may see in the future. 
    But I did agree that the price differential exists and is a concern. Please note that if the movement price goes up a dollar, this is not one dollar increase in the retail sales price.
    When you say “BENRUS” I assume you mean Benarus. If so, their Moray 42 is powered by the Miyota 9015 which is less costs than a Swiss ETA 2836. I do find it odd that you feel that all “homage” dive watches should be priced the same and that you feel that MKII is a rip off without addressing the price of a Rolex Sub.

    In the end, like all watches, if you like it and can part with the asking price, get it. Otherwise, pass. Cheers.

  • Jus_ad_bellum

    MarkCarson nope I mean Benrus, the company which made the original watch that Yao is riffing on 
    Here’s info on the company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benrus
    and on the specific model diver MKII has aped.

    http://www.woundforlife.com/2014/04/30/lessons-wristory-benrus-types-ii/

    That original Benrus model as I have said can still be found, serviced and ready to go with its original ETA movement for under $500.
    I know that ETA prices are climbing because of the EU defending their cartel like actions, that’s beside the point, a LOT of indie watch makers are not jamming the consumer.

    More importantly, I think you have missed the larger point in what I’ve said. Sure, if someone has the money and wants to pay over fair market price for an item, more power to them. For what to me is a watch that may as well have a Miyota and be sold for $550, I get slayed that there is a market for it at $1500.
    IMHO It is the job of sites like this to be watchful of unjustifiable price creep, that is the entire purpose of the independent reviewer. If you don’t do that with each and every review, you risk becoming a market shill.

    So that being said I would invite Ariel to do a well deserved and long delayed review of the reborn Aquadive offerings. They have NOS of the original vintage cases with updated movements, including the ETA  2824-2 day date. They also have new constructions of the vintage design with new cases made from a mould of the original with ETA movements and most importantly for divers their depth ratings blows the Paradive out of the water.
    If this blog has covered them before I missed it and a quick search just now isn’t revealing one.

    http://www.aquadive.com/

    http://shop.aquadive.com/watches/

  • Jus_ad_bellum Switzerland is not a member of the European Union. Their competition commission (anti-trustt folks) are COMCO: http://www.weko.admin.ch/index.html?lang=en&

  • Jus_ad_bellum If ABTW reviewed the NOS Aquadive watch, they would have half of the
    available stock! According to their website they only have TWO left.
    Plus with a plastic crystal and bi-directional bezel, it’s not a direct
    comparison item to the reviewed MKII.
    Benrus does not appear to be operating at the moment. So am I correct in that you are suggesting comparing prices for used/vintage Benrus watches with new MKII watches just because they look similar? Not sure I follow the logic in that.
    The ETA 2824-2 is a date only (no day) movement. The 2836 adds the day of the week.

  • Jus_ad_bellum

    MarkCarson

    Please read fully (twice) before you respond to this or anything else in the future, please.

    Regarding my reference to the EU. Go spend a couple seconds on the website you provided. You’ll find “Annual Report 2010 of the Competition Commission (in accordance with Article 49 paragraph 2 of the Cartel Act)” In that, not only will you find referral to the ETA decision to restrict the availability to its movements, you will see that the Swiss Competition Commission makes direct reference to the European Union Cartel Rules, why do they do this you may ask? Well gee because Switzerland is right smack dab in the middle of Europe and the EU can put serious tariffs on the importation of goods that are produced in a manner which is adverse to its EU members.

    Benrus went tits up ages ago, what’s your point?

    What I said pretty clearly, was that it is more rewarding to own a working original than its imitator, in particular when that imitator is priced incredibly high and for no defensible reason other than that they can. Thus did I refer to an indie watch maker pulling a Rolex.

    I did not direct compare the original to its imitator, in fact I compared one MKII watch to another.
     

    The MKII is a HOMAGE WATCH is what I have said repeatedly, it is a HOMAGE watch  of the Benrus Type I just as much as the Nassau is a riff on the Submariner.  If you disagree with that, then I am baffled.

     

    Don’t take just my ‘logic’ in saying that, although I am not sure that is what you are saying. But if it is, there are numerous comparisons of the MKII to that Benrus watch online on numerous websites and in online forums if you care to look. I recall at least one website review included quotes from an interview with Bill Yao. So if I was so wrong and they were so wrong, do you not think he’d have called them on it?
    Regarding Aquadive, so they only have two of the NOS left, what’s your point? I mentioned them as part of an invitation to the site owner to cover them because I don’t think ab2w has ever covered them before. I mentioned that because I think they are a considerably better value for money at the exact same price point as the paradiver.
    However, I never compared them to anything from MKII on a model to model basis except to say that apples to apples, the Aquadive has a better depth rating. Which for dive watches does amount to something.
    That I mentioned their NOS was because I think that’s a really nice find, it’s an original case entirely updated. Their newer watches most assuredly HAVE sapphire crystals. As far as the crystal used, so what? If they used Hardlex or an equivalent, I wouldn’t complain and I doubt most rec divers would either.

    Like are you doing this half straw manning responses to what I write for giggles, or are you doing it because you think I’m warming up to take a swing at you for how your watches are priced? I haven’t been on your site in awhile am I going to see something upsetting?

  • Jus_ad_bellum I’m guessing you find everything upsetting. I’m done with this conversation. Have a nice life.

  • Jus_ad_bellum

    MarkCarson Regarding the review, despite my tangents; I have maintained ONE primary complaint, based one ONE major basis, continually. 
    You’re the one that decided to school me and say I meant “Benarus” when I most clearly did not. You’re the one that wanted to claim my apparent ignorance alleging an apples/oranges comparison and so on and so forth. You then started with the straw man representing of my positions. Such as asserting I was bringing in Aquadive into the conversation when in obvious actual fact I was going sidebar to Ariel (who I have no doubt reads the comments on occasion) with an invitation to put a spotlight on another indie watchmaker separate from everything else. In doing so you raised further points that I responded to.

    And you despite you engaging in the foregoing, I have not been “upset” or gone ad hominem on you. It would appear you want to paint me as a an anti-pollyanna now simply for responding to what you’ve written. I don’t troll on these or any other forums and I certainly haven’t here.

    I was certainly tired of the sophistry, so I’m glad you are too calling it a day. I usually have no problem with anything you write, but here you just seem to want to keep doubling down on red, even though I have consistently rolled black (and white).

  • MarkCarson Jus_ad_bellum The watch passion is heating up. At least we are all here for the same reason. With our various insights and understanding of the facts we work together to uncover “truths” right? I think it is good when people share their observations and of course we feel inclined to assert our positions. I am just happy people are sharing. 

    In regard the NOS Aquadive. We actually have one and wanted to review it. Communication broke down with the Aquadive – meaning they simply never responded to us so we were unable to complete the review. I’d like to of course try and complete it someday soon.

  • Jus_ad_bellum

    aBlogtoWatch please follow up with them! they are one watch I cannot find in a shop to handle that I really want to buy

  • BenHDK

    People love their overpriced “unique” watches. Where have we seen these designs before? So innovative!

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