Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

Welcome to another installment in our series of Car & Watch reviews [Ed. note - look for aBlogtoWatch Auto, with more focused car content, in the future.], and in fact the first where we pick a watch and car with no official partnership between their respective manufacturers. Don't let that bother you one bit, though: as you shall see, the new-for-2016 Mazda MX-5 ND (also sold as the Miata in the US) and the Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 have a lot in common. Let us begin by providing some context, and then we'll quickly take the driver's seat in the new MX-5 and put on the F900 to find out how each fares in a real-life review.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

Why These Two?

There really is no need to stamp MX-5 branding all over the GPS-equipped, solar-charged, titanium-clad Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 to make it feel like the two were made to go perfectly with one another. To be more to-the-point, we'll say that if you can appreciate the car, we feel you'll find the watch to your liking just as well – and this is exactly why we matched these two for this review.

Finding the link between the MX-5 and the F900 was quite simple, actually: they are both high-end, extremely well-made products with highly competitive and affordable pricing, recently released as the front-bearers within their own (very specific) product categories, designed and manufactured in-house by established Japanese companies who have a history of understanding what people want from such a product.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

Yet another link: when you think about it, both the Citizen F900 and the Mazda MX-5 ND would have been impossible to be made by companies other than ones that have been tirelessly dedicated to continually improving their designs and technologies. The Mazda MX-5's global success remains utterly unrivaled since its launch in 1989 and the Citizen Satellite Wave technology (and the Citizen F900 watch itself) also has an extremely limited number of competitors, with no risk for either the car or the watch to see newcomers suddenly enter a segment with as high a barrier for entry as for affordable but true two-seater roadsters or GPS-equipped timepieces.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

MX-5 History

What makes "a true two-seater roadster?" The basic equation is simple enough: engine in the front, two seats in the middle, driven wheels at the back, soft, foldable roof on top. It all started with the famous British roadsters (MG MGA, Austin-Healey 100, Triumph Spitfire, Lotus) almost half a century ago. They were lightweight and extremely involving and fun to drive – but, history tells us, the British motor industry, for reasons we need not discuss here, was doomed, and with it so were these famed drop-top cars.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

Worry not though if you seek some cheap driving pleasure: largely in line with modern Japanese (and, in fact, Asian) manufacturing mentality, in the late 1980s, when the idea came to Mazda to create a small and affordable drop-top roadster, the engineers at the company have fortunately not shied away from taking some clues from said British predecessors: beyond the concept itself, the terrific manual gearbox feel of the original NA from 1989 was, well, heavily inspired by that of the Lotus Elan, for example.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

This latest version, called the ND, marks just the fourth major generation of the Mazda MX-5 (aka Mazda Miata in the US) in over 26 years. That is a very slowly expanding product family, even by watch industry standards – but Mazda had its solid reasons not to rush with yet newer revisions of their legendary roadster. It took Mazda over 26 years to produce one million MX-5s, making it far and away the best-selling sports car ever produced.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

The MX-5 magic recipe? For 26 years, it's been well-known to all, and yet none could imitate it with success... Key ingredients are: light weight, ample power, great gearbox and suspension, easy maintenance, lovable but cool design, and affordable pricing. As such, the new Mazda MX-5 ND is lighter than ever (!), weighing in at just 2,332lbs or about 1,058kg (this, of course, varies depending on trim level).

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

Yes, the cheap-n-cheerful spec 1989 NA weighed less, but the ND does weigh the same at a comparable spec level - airbags, stronger structuring, etc, not to mention it comes with modern day luxuries like parking radar, GPS navigation, and so on that add weight and had not been available for the NA.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

The version we had in for review was the Mazda MX-5 ND 2.0 Revolution, a top-spec model with all the goodies. For your information, in the US the Mazda MX-5 is available only with this 2-liter engine, developing 155 horsepower – European versions manage 160-hp, and I'm not sure why, but the considerably better fuel quality/higher octane rating standard on the Old Continent might have something to do with it. In Europe, you can also opt for a 130-hp, 1.5-liter engine to save some on the MSRP as well as insurance fees.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

Needless to say, all engines have been updated to meet the latest regulations, and even if you rev seven bells out of these small and light motors, fuel consumption will remain relatively low – with frequent "fun-times" included, I got 9l/100km (31MPG), and I bet you can get much better mileage if you are more careful with the go-pedal.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

The MX-5 Driving Experience

Equipped with Bilstein suspension parts, an LSD (no, not that LSD, but by car enthusiast standards something far more enjoyable and health-friendly: a limited slip differential), this 2.0-liter version wants to provide everything you can possibly need for some excellent canyon carving. The ESP stability program intrudes ferociously at the tiniest bit of slip when it's turned on, but at the press of a button you can switch it off and – boy, oh boy – the super lightweight roadster's rear comes alive. Weight distribution is spot on between the front and rear, and if you stamp on the throttle in second or third (first is quite short and best for quick turnarounds or for some "elevenses"), the curvy little back will step out in no time.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

I have owned the previous version, the MX-5 NC 2.0, and I couldn't help but compare this new version to its predecessor. By many, the NC was mocked because it was heavier (although also more powerful) than the NB, but I am quite sure it will soon begin to enjoy the glorified status the NB received after it had been replaced. My key criticism over the ND – which, interestingly, I haven't read or heard in any of the literally dozens of reviews I have checked since the ND has been released – is in its comparable lack in communicating to the driver. The NC felt alive, and not just that, but also wonderfully confidence-inspiring. It was my first rear wheel drive sports car, and just after the first days I began my time of spending months playing around with its tail-happy handling.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

By contrast, the ND's electrical steering feels numb, giving incomparably less feedback as to what the front wheels (and, in fact, the rear ones too) are doing. The NC's hydraulic steering was a tool that I could use to communicate with the car; the new steering, on the other hand, feels like an obstacle that stands between me and what the car is doing as it misbehaves. Needless to say, under normal driving conditions there is nothing to be held against the new steering.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

The bottom line is that I was feeling much less comfortable pushing the ND beyond its limits – and it truly isn't a question of familiarity, as the predecessor felt great pretty much immediately upon first drive. It is more about a new disconnect that had not been present in previous versions (I have also driven NAs quite a bit). Come to think of it, though, while all "professional car reviews" touted the new ND for its lightness and balance, I don't recall anyone praising its steering feel... I, however, prefer not to keep quiet about it and say that if you want modern equipment and safety with basically identical performance, I would recommend picking up a full-spec NC2.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

All this said, the new Mazda MX-5 ND is a truly magnificent car in most all other departments. The six-speed manual gearbox is an absolute joy to use every single time – but you also have the option to go with a six-speed automatic (read Car & Driver's neat rundown on that here). The suspension handled road bumps with dignity, but to be fair, also with a lot of vibrations and shaking directed towards the chassis – get the non-Bilstein ones for less optimal performance but greater comfort.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

The interior quality is stellar, the full leather seats and panels are wonderfully executed, with genuinely high-quality materials and workmanship everywhere you look and touch. One notable gripe I do have with the interior concerns the small and practical compartments I so enjoyed using in the NC: gone are the door pockets and cupholders in both doors (big no-no), the large compartment in the lower center console, the glovebox (I mean... was that really necessary?) and the only remaining cupholders have been moved all the way back to in between the two seats, making it impossible to get and put back drinks comfortably.

Car & Watch Review: Mazda MX-5 ND, Citizen Eco-Drive Satellite Wave F900 Wrist Time Reviews

Quality of execution, then, has improved, but practicality – where every little compartment makes a big difference in such a small car – has been significantly compromised. Not even the great-sounding Bose sound system could make me forget how annoying the lack of useful space and the removal of the comfortably placed cupholders is.

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  • Simon_Hell

    Holy crap this is the worst thing i have ever read. Ever. The only thing thats missing in this dual review is a trippple review: a car + a watch + a pussy. Yeah..a pussy review is whats missing here. What is a car an watch review without a pussy?

  • ??????

    I’ll wait for tiffany-colored Zaporozec + DonKylne review

  • The Reclusive Boogur T. Wang

    Excellent job Mr. Bredan. The Mazda review was refreshing and with sufficient details to be interesting. The “no cupholders” is indeed a low point by the designers. USB plug?

    Same for the Citizen review. Citizen is hitting the high points with their models.
    I especially liked the pics accompanying the review. Nice timer light work.

    • David Bredan

      Really appreciate your kind words, thank you. There are 2 USB plugs included in this trim level, fair point! But I do want my door pockets and cupholders and glovebox back! 🙂

      • The Reclusive Boogur T. Wang

        And look at the marvelous debate this has given birth to.
        (Yes, I know, I ended as sentence with a preposition – also; lose the mustache)

  • Roman

    The Mazda is overpriced.

    • IG

      The quartz too.

    • Beefalope

      In relation to what?

  • Aditya

    I didn’t read the car review but the watch seems like a mighty piece. Too bad its so large and expensive! Although with everything that is going on with the dial, I suppose even 42 mm would have been really pushing it with dial real estate. I’d like to see one in person.

  • Car reviews?! WTF?

  • JF Schnell

    I think the Citizen is very expensive. In that case would get the Mazda instead

  • Jim Fuerstenberg

    minor point…Ti is not particularly soft, but it does dent easily.

    • Beefalope

      That’s not accurate — titanium actually is harder than steel and is not easy to dent, but it is easier to scratch, particularly if not properly coated. Then again, stainless steel also is pretty easy to scratch.

      • Grumpy Cat

        See my post to Jim Fuerstenberg. Generally, Titanium is not as hard as Stainless Steel, but it also depends on what alloys you are referring to. I have a Duratect TIC Citizen watch which is equivalent to Sinn tegimented steel in regards to Hardness.

        • SuperStrapper

          Did Sinn update the Tegimenting process? I’ve never been a flower or anything but I thought regimented steel topped out around 2000Hv and titanium at 1500 or so.

          • Grumpy Cat

            Tegiment: a chemical process that hardens the surface layer of the steel to approximately 1200 vickers (normal steel is around 220 vickers, by comparison).

    • Grumpy Cat
  • SuperStrapper

    Have never understood the Miata. Thankfully the styling has improved (considerably) with the later models, but the originals looked like jelly beans and were girl cars.

    • Beefalope

      What’s not to understand? Rear-wheel drive, great manual transmission, light so it’s easy to toss around and handle, easy to work on, simple to modify. Only a girl car if you don’t know anything about cars.

      • SuperStrapper

        Ah, so if someone doesn’t agree with you on a particular topic or item, they don’t know anything about that toic or item. Sounds about right.

        What I was referring to, fuckbag, was that in my own opinion (which I apparantly need to specifically denote, so that dickeaters like yourself don’t get spontaneous yeast infections from reading something outside of your own opinion) was that despite the rather shadow talent pool in the segment that the Miata live in why anyone would pick it. Historically and today. It does not have a direct competitor that I wouldn’t take over it. And again, cuntlips, that’s just me. If you have a different opinion, you go girl.

        • Stephen Cox

          Easy Tiger… wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

          • SuperStrapper

            Moi? No, having a great morning actually. Found a new bean and it is roasted to perfection. In my happy place.

          • Beefalope

            Yes, you roasted me to perfection with witless vulgarities. Such talent.

            And a Bonneville???

            Jesus.

          • SuperStrapper

            You’re a motorcycle expert as well? We’re so lucky to have you!

          • Beefalope

            A Scrambler?

            Good lord. Who in the world am I talking to here? I should have my head examined for debating someone like this.

          • SuperStrapper

            Why did you break that into 2 seperate insults? Because you’re not smart enough to come up with 2 unique jabs, or because you had to go back and read it a few times before you could fully comprehend it.

          • Beefalope

            Why can’t you simply admit that you’re wrong and move on? It’s ok to be wrong. No one likes to admit it, but I’ve been wrong many, many times. It’ll be ok, brother.

          • SuperStrapper

            Go fuck your hat. There wasn’t even anything to be ‘wrong’ about, but you’re such a snivelling little bitch you have to come loping back over to make sure that you’re right because you have an opinion.

          • IG

            You sound butthurt.

          • SuperStrapper

            You’d know.

        • palettj

          What do you drive?

          • SuperStrapper

            Not a sports car. I joyride them often but don’t live in a climate that makes sense for me to own oone unfortunately. I do own a new bonneville and an old scrambler for throwaway summer fun though.

        • Yojimbo

          you called him fuckbag, omg keep that up and ppl will think you’re my shadow puppet account.

          yes they looked like jellybeans (EXACTLY) in the early days, but they ARE fun as hell to slam around a track with a few mods

        • Beefalope

          You got it all in, brother — all of these MANLY insults.

          Unfortunately, during your juvenile rant, you proved yet again that you don’t know anything about cars. The Miata has had four primary competitors.

          The most obvious one is the Honda S2000, which is a better car in every way. My 2001 S2000, which I use as a summer car, is still better than a new Miata. It’s also not a fair comparison, though, because the S2000 cost nearly twice as much as a Miata when it came out.

          The Audi TT has more power and a better interior, but at the expense of literally everything else — at least twice the cost, senseless all wheel drive in a car that doesn’t need it and suffers at high speeds in part because of it, crap handling, horrible reliability, terrible stick, and very, very heavy. A fat pig in a roadster’s body, and ultimately a useless car.

          The BMW Z cars are very expensive and live in the shop. Typical BMW garbage that doesn’t deserve time for a discussion.

          The only other interesting one is the Porsche Boxster. The early Boxsters were very interesting because they were mid-engined Porsches. Unfortunately, they suffered from the same IMS bearing issues as 911s of that era. That meant that engines literally could permanently die at any minute. The fix was expensive. However, with preventative maintenance, the IMS issue could be resolved, and you would have a better car than a Miata. Still, more pricey to maintain and very difficult to modify. The new Boxsters are glorious cars, but they’re nearly three times as much as the Miata for a fully equipped car. Not a fair comparison.

          Now, insult me some more, as that seems to be your one tool.

          • SuperStrapper

            Hey, you started it, tithead.

          • Yojimbo

            are you as hungover as I’m perceiving?

          • Berndt Norten

            for comic relief I suggest you guys google the “There’s Something About Mary” scene where Matt Dillon and his two clown associates are engaging in a hilarious fuck-you-triangle discussion. It’s really a high point in late 20th century film??(until next week, the balcony is closed)

          • Beefalope

            Not quite.

            You clearly didn’t know what you were talking about, you made an ignorant, sexist comment, then you followed that up with more ignorant, sexist comments. That doesn’t make you some type of master debater; it makes you the president-elect of the United States.

          • SuperStrapper

            You’re the one that clearly has no idea what you’re talking about. And I’m sorry you didn’t get your Killory Klinton president (lie: I’m not sorry).

          • Beefalope

            “You started it,” “I know you are but what am I?” “cuntlips,” “fuckbag,” etc.

            Sir, how old are you?

          • SuperStrapper

            Some toads have impressive lifespans.

          • The Reclusive Boogur T. Wang

            “That doesn’t make you some type of master debater; it makes you the president-electout-going of the United States.”
            There, I fixed it for you.

          • Yojimbo

            I don’t think the S2000 is a true equiv to the Miata, except for a crap differential that needs upgrades the S2000 outstrips its contemporary miatas by leaps and bounds

            HOWEVER the ND is said to have unequaled handling, I mean it would have been nice if Dave pushed any limits and thought to write about its handling.

          • Beefalope

            The differential on the S2000 is fine unless you go to forced induction. Then, yes, you absolutely would have to upgrade.

            I agree with you on ND handling — as much as I hate to admit it, the new Miatas FINALLY have better handling than the S2000. I think these are the best Miatas yet.

          • Shawn Lavigne

            superstrapper = supertroll

          • SuperStrapper

            Shawn Lavigne = nobody.

      • palettj

        The MX 5 is the most raced car in history.

        • Beefalope

          Yeah, because Miatas are great cars. In terms of pure fun per dollar, virtually impossible to beat.

          • palettj

            I’m waiting on an S2000 revival, just hope they don’t screw it up.

          • Beefalope

            As I’m sure you know, we get rumors of this all the time, but every year nothing happens. I bought an unmolested S2000 with only 50k miles on it, and it’s just a wonderful car.

            By the way, I’d like your thoughts, but I think they screwed up on the new NSX. From everything I’ve read, it’s an amazing car, but $200k???? Based on the mechanics of the car, I can see why it’s so much, but it’s unobtanium to most of humanity now. The old NSXs were rightfully pricey but not crazy. I wish Acura would give us a sports car at a remotely reasonable price like the company used to do all the time, but now I don’t get what Acura is doing at all.

          • palettj

            First off congratulations on the S2K, and hang on the it because they are becoming collectable. Regards to the new NSX it’s a fine car but it’s nothing ground breaking like the original. When the NSX first came out it was revolutionary, it caused all other manufacturers to go back to the drawing board. This new model seems to match the performance and tech of existing cars on the market today. That might have to do with all the delays in the release. For 200k I think I’d rather have a GT3, Turbo, or the 570s.

          • Beefalope

            That’s a tough call on the GT3. I’ve never driven one, but my guess is that it’s a much better track car. But, unlike most Porsches, I don’t think this one would be a great daily driver. That’s where I think the NSX would shine.

            I had the opportunity to drive the McLaren on a track in Las Vegas. Man, I can tell you that I’ve never had more of a letdown with a car. Yes, it had tremendous power, but the handling was awful and the ride quality was brutal. I also drive the Ferrari 458 and a Z06 there. Of course, the Ferrari was brilliant, as they always are. That car is so forgiving that a child could drive it at high speeds. But even the Z06 was better than the McLaren — and at half the cost. More raw power than either car. Didn’t handle as well as the 458 (of course) but out-handled the 570. Goes to show what a great car the Z06 could be if GM ever fixes the overheating problem.

          • Chaz

            Yep. I’m on my third. Two NAs and now an NC. Tried a Subaru WRX for about a year and sold it. Great car but I found it boring as hell.

            Can’t wait to get an ND MX-5 in a few years…

  • Yojimbo

    For starters ABTW if you wanted to keep building your cachet with marketers as a snobbish elite forum to drive readers to them, you should have opted to review the 124 Alfa Romeo which is the same car but prettier and more ‘exclusive’

    Dave you say that you owned an NC and yet you make an LSD joke? If you don’t have the right differential in your miata it’s not worth driving. People if you want to read/learn about the Miata go to mossmiata or jalopnik this was painful to read and clearly David owned a Miata during his phase in hairdressing school.

    That watch, I mean I’ve read more detailed reviews on Amazon so I went looking for others, I see it lists less than that stated pretty much everywhere else, maybe it’s time that you start cross listing stuff like amazon and the major watch seller sites so there’s a glimmer of accuracy in the stated sale prices.

    • David Bredan

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for making the effort to not get too personal. How classy of you.

      In all seriousness, the 124 is heavier and comes exclusively with a turbo charged engine, neither is a good match for the MX-5 (which it is built on). The very last sentence in this review encourages people to shop around, an amazon search I presume comes to mind to many.

      • Yojimbo

        Dave, true story, I would totally pick a fight with you in a bar totally based on those shoes in the story photo, so don’t take it too personally, this isn’t really about your writing. I am chemically predisposed to want to smack people like you for being too precious.

        Given that the 124 has the same tuning as the Abarth 500 I’d have to disagree with you that the turbo is a bad match all you need to do is shave weight. But then again my miata was tuned to the tits, a level hairdressers like you aren’t interested in. (don’t worry I have three brothers I can introduce you to that aren’t as picky on shoes)

        So good of you to say “shop around” whereas a site with a brain would fucking place the links right there with moving arrows drawing attention to them

        • Ariel Adams

          I’m just going to point out that mainstream people – without the stomach for our mutual level of nerdy – make fun of us for conversations like this.

          • Yojimbo

            Ariel, I know I’m all rough edges. Car reviews I have zero problem with you including, but really, hire someone from jalopnik or something. Also , his shoes, I CANNOT forgive that. As far as us being anal pedants, sure I admit it, before you go car reviews (which I will read) what about pens? I have a waterman that I love, and a few dozen shaeffers, parkers etc from conventions, we could have way more fun arguing over pens 😀

          • Ariel Adams

            I admire a fine writing instrument but so rarely have an opportunity to make use of them. Also, being part of the “typing generation” I don’t even spend that much time actually hand-writing anything. So trying to include more writing instrument content, at least from me, would be strained as I’m an admitted novice in the field (even though I’ve done some cool stuff like visit Montblanc and Montegrappa to see how they make their pens.

            Really, we just try to combine the passions we naturally have as I think expanding a bit beyond just watches is a natural course for some of our editorial.

          • Yojimbo

            what the hell kind of law do you practice? I have black, blue and green oml “say you’re impressed’ pens for any client document signings (and green for my edits). I drew the line at a wax seal, but if I wasn’t left handed I’d have a montblanc calligraphy pen for my own signatures to add an ink splash

          • Ariel Adams

            It’s true, back when I was actively practicing law having a nice pen to sign stuff was a cool thing.

        • David Bredan

          Jim’, true story, you’re not the first to be flipping out over these shoes, and though much (much) fewer wanted to smack me for it in a bar — come to think of it, couldn’t we be on the street, do you really need to be in your natural habitat and/or after a few drinks to get the balls to “want to do it”?

          The shoes I wear for two reasons, both precious reasons I’ll share with you — just because it’s Christmas time and people like you who say they want to smack people deserve a bit of love.

          First, I wear them because I like how they look. Second, they have proven an excellent tool to measure the barrier of entry to some people’s minds. Most people couldn’t care less about the shoes other people wear, but time and again there are some, always of the same ilk (though, mind you, the ballsier type adds a name and a face, not an avatar and a nick) who flip out over some shoes. Welcome to this group of very, very select people. Good for you, Jim’.

          More seriously, the 124 is down on power by 15%, is heavier and has the torque curve of a small, turbo charged engine that matches a FWD hatchback (Abarth 500/595), not the MX-5. Not sure for how long one needs to be modding MX-5s to finally come to this conclusion. Fiat used that engine not because it’s such an amazing match, but because it’s literally the only engine option they could provide themselves and was at least remotely a good match to the car.

          Links to vendors we’ll start adding the moment we grow a brain and create a proper way of doing it. Until then, people who already have a brain can do that 2-second Google or Amazon search.

          • Yojimbo

            Dude I trained in muay thai for over a decade and I have almost twice as many years in causing havoc and waking up in jail cells. I drink because I’m an alcoholic not because I need help being rude to people I have no respect towards.

            As far as your shoes comeback, what the fuck ever kid, I had a kicks collection too, then I turned 18 and started going to bars. You remind me of this fey guy I run into all the time, always wearing something redonk to prove he’s an individual.

            I’d like to make something plain, feel free to scroll back through the remarks. I never said the Alfa/Fiat/Mazda hybrid was a superior car, I said it would probably be a better manner of fetching ad dollars to feature it. To equalize it I suggested shaving some weight because that’s what anyone who’s doing class racing will be doing anyways.

            My avatar and username were there long before I discovered you were a douchenozzle. I gave up my location on these forums some time ago, I’m not exactly hiding from anything but the professional standards review committee of the law society of upper Canada.

            You call me an internet tough guy all you want dude, I hope that makes you feel better. I’m more than secure with myself and have all my original teeth. if the opportunity should ever present itself for me to introduce myself to you in RL do not think for a minute I’d shy away from making it plain who I am.

          • David Bredan

            You know, the worst thing is Jim’ (and this may be bugging not just me but you too) is that if you could get over my shoes and I could get over your petty insults, we could actually have a decent conversation about cars.

  • Marius

    Apart from being both Japanese brands, these two products have extremely little in common.

    1. The Datsun is really a driver`s car, being among the last “old school” roadsters on the market: small dimensions, very lightweight, good engine, and very acceptable price. The Citizen, on the other hand, is a very modern watch, that also happens to be quite big and bulky. It might have a Titanium case, but looking at the photos, it’s clear that the watch is too big for that wrist.

    2. The Datsun has a traditional engine — we are talking about a great 2.0L aspirated motor. No turbo, no compressor, and no downsizing here. The Citizen, on the other hand, uses a modern quartz caliber that features solar power, GPS, etc.

    3. The pricing of these products is also worlds apart. The Datsun offers great value because for the price of a VW Golf, you can buy a truly great and iconic roadster. Its “competitors” would be the Toyota GT 86/Subaru BRZ, but these are coupés, and they’re slightly more expensive. On the other hand, the Citizen is very expensive. Not only that you can find similar quartz watches for considerably less, but for $2,000 you can easily buy a decent mechanical watch, such as a Nomos, Chr. Ward, or Seiko Presage Chronograph.

    Personally, I would compare the MX-5 to a Seiko Presage Chronograph, or to a Grand Seiko SBGR097G.

    • Soosh

      Are you calling it a Datsun out of ignorance, or are you just trying to impress us with how little you care about Japanese cars by intentionally using the name of an unrelated car company?

      • Marius

        Actually, I’m calling it Datsun because my cousin owns one, and that’s how we jokingly refer to the MX-5. The reality is that the Datsun MX-5 is one of my favourite cars, and I explained in my comment that this was a great car.

        • Soosh

          Weird in-joke with your cousin aside, it’s not a Datsun.

    • Beefalope

      Datsun.

      Lol.

    • TrevorXM

      I think the Seiko Presage would be a good comparison, but the Grand Seiko is too much in the luxury watch category. I also think that the higher end Seiko dive watches like the “Shogun” or the Marine Master would suit the MX-5 pretty well, as it seems like the kind of car you would drive to the beach. In any case, you are 100% correct in laying out the case that this Citizen is not a good comparison for this traditional style roadster. There are a number of soulless electric and hybrid cars which would suit it better.

    • ??????

      I believe the Tuna would suit the Miata perfectly: easy and fun summer watch (but happens to be a tool as well). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d5a97fc868a01adf060baa4ea7a0621c155ef1e9630bba86e20db1be129bc5a.jpg

    • Datsun = Nissan, not Mazda.

  • DanW94

    The car looks about as exciting as piece of white toast. The styling is dreadfully boring and uniform and offers little to distinguish it from the fleet of other cookie cutter, rounded out, egg shaped cars tooling around these days. Just my opinion as I’m not really into cars anyway. I’ll take an American muscle car from the 60’s or early 70’s any day. BTW, nice thorough review David.

    • David Bredan

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts and the kind words regarding the review.

  • Bill W

    Pic 2/62, he’s trying to tell us that we’re dipsticks. 🙂

  • Raymond Wilkie

    A car is a car,…………….A watch is a watch. I can’t see the connection.

    • TrevorXM

      You also have stated many times on here in the past how you can’t see the purpose of a chronograph, either.

      • Raymond Wilkie

        That”s true although I can’t seem to get the connection between that and my previous comment.
        Just to reiterate, although I love the mechanics of a chronograph, I can”t see the need for one. Is a second hand not good enough ?

        • Shinytoys

          not when the difference between winning and second place is 1/1000th of a second…

          • Raymond Wilkie

            A chronograph doesn’t do thousands of a second. Have I taken your point too literally ?

          • Well TAG had that Mikrograph a few years back…

          • Raymond Wilkie
          • David Williams

            Yes, quite so – but I suggest that the eye-to-hand co-ordination of the “mere human” operating the buttons is incapable of reaction that’s accurate to a thousandth of a second! That would need electronic activation of some kind, possibly by means of a light beam, and digital recording of the time.

          • Raymond Wilkie

            Like the model shown below ? 🙂

          • I agree – actually a silly exercise for a human activated stopwatch. Interesting technically, but still an oddity from TAG considering their core market. Which is why JCB killed such flights of fancy from TAG (outside of the V4). Cheers.

          • Shinytoys

            I think you have the general idea…cheers…

        • TrevorXM

          Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

      • Raymond Wilkie

        That is quite correct.

    • Sheez Gagoo

      Sometimes, quite often, I had a watch in my cars. And on my wrist while driving.

      • Raymond Wilkie

        Again, I can’t quite see the connection. I wear a watch on the train. So what.

        • Chaz

          Makes you a trainspotter… an aspiring engineer

          • Raymond Wilkie

            No. It makes me a commuter.

        • Sheez Gagoo

          …and you wear a Swiss Railway Watch on the train, don`t you?

          • Raymond Wilkie

            Well remembered, buts that’s doesn’t make me a train spotter. That’s purely down to style.

    • ??????

      Agree. I never understood the meaning of this artificial “connection”. For me, it has same relevance as cars-vacuum cleaners, watches-coffee grinders..

      • Raymond Wilkie

        Exactly.

      • Shinytoys

        how about racing events and timing requirements…ask Heuer…

        • ??????

          Now every second watch brand presents a “car” watch. Okay, Heuer, Omega, Rolex, Seiko sponsor some sport events, car racing events particularly. But this marketing ploy has been worn to the end, maybe it was relevant in 70s, but today try to convince anybody that watches are “needed” in car races. Unfortunately, or fortunately, they go in parallel today, this is fact.

          • Shinytoys

            worn out for you…specifically…that may be fact. If you don’t want the Chrono feature, buy a watch that doesn’t have. Plenty to choose from…

          • ??????

            I didn’t say I don’t like a chrono feature. I said I don’t like this car-watch marketing gimmick.

    • Joel Schumann

      The most obvious connection is that car and watch manufacturers are two of the biggest money spenders in marketing.

      • ??????

        Ok, first are cars, second are fast food chains.. third are pharmaceuticals. Why no Tissot-KFC connections? 🙂 Rolex-Coldrex?

    • Berndt Norten

      Follow the money?

  • David Williams

    Clearly a lot of interest in the car in these comments – maybe someone should launch a new venture – ABTD – A Blog to Drive!

  • Larry Holmack

    Nice looking watch! The MX is an okay looking “little” car that’s usually being driven by a pretty , young blonde gal here in the Austin Texas area. The men around here usually drive a big truck or SUV, since I live out here north of the city among all the ranches!

    • IG

      So is there a micropenis epidemic in that area?

      • TrevorXM

        Big truck or SUV driven by men on ranches = average to above average gentleman sausages.

        Big truck or SUV driven by men in big cities = micropenises.

        Reason for the former is utilitarian usage plus normal preferences for big rugged vehicle like their lifestyle. Reason for the latter is metrosexual inferiority complexes likely reinforced by probable physical defects.

        You should read Larry’s post again, IG. He makes very clear where he lives.

    • DeepEye

      That’s strange. Here in europe i see men driving sports cars, while women in SUVs/SWs driving children to school .

      Btw, i still cannot understand the function of pick up trucks. Here on the other side of the atlantic, the work related vehicles are VANs: much more practical and efficient.

      • Larry Holmack

        Well, on a big ranch a truck is almost a necessity…especially a 4 wheel drive vehicle….since the soil is mostly clay, and when it rains…it is easy to get stuck in it. You need it for all types of reasons on a cattle ranch, but the main reason I see them being used for is pulling horse or cow trailers and hauling hay. Then there is a financial reason here in Texas. Farm and Ranch trucks gets tax breaks…..

        I do see men driving sports cars in the Austin area….vintage Corvettes seem to be the favorite. I spot Porsche’s & other high end sports cars over by Lakeway, TX ( It’s north west of downtown Austin ) area when I am down that way. A lot of the more wealthy people live there because of views of the lake. You do see plenty of work vans around town…mainly for the trades. The Austin area is growing extremely fast…and they are building homes, apartments, malls and new infrastructure everywhere.

        • Berndt Norten

          And if you haul brush or wood or construction vehicles or snowmobiles around….very useful

  • Tamarillo

    The machining of the city names on the lunette is bad.

  • Dénes Albert

    “Car and watch review” is an intriguing idea. In the same vein, may I suggest opera and water polo (both have spectators), dinner tables and cows (four legs), sunglasses and paintings (may or may not have frames). Seriously, though: I don’t think you can come to any meaningful conclusions that would apply to both the reviewed car and watch. If, as I have to guess, the idea is to migrate ablogtowatch’s undeniably successful business model to another area of consumer goods, you should have the courage of your convictions and make a car review sister site.

    • David Bredan

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts. As noted in the very first paragraph, aBlogtoWatch auto (along with many more Car & Watch reviews) coming up soon!

      • Marius

        I would love to see the sponsored posts on A Blog To Watch Auto. Brands such as Lada, Yugo, Moskvich, or Trabant would come to mind.

        • IG

          Only Lada would be possible.

        • ??????

          add ZAZ here

      • Raymond Wilkie

        Can I suggest you leave out any automobile reviews.

  • Trebus

    “Press and hold for a few seconds the lower pusher at 4 o’clock and you’ll enter Atomic Radio Signal Reception mode”
    I think the time in this mode is acquired from GPS too. But it is faster, because the watch sets only time and not position.
    As far as I know only Casio has “GPS hybrid” that can get time both from GPS and radio signal.

  • Raymond Wilkie

    Nice heathy amount of comments

    • Berndt Norten

      Yes the heathy ledger is full, I’d say!!!

      • DanW94

        I see what you did there 🙂

  • Dinkee, H. O.

    YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY A LOT HARDER IF YOU’RE GOING TO TRY AND COPY THE HODINKEE WATCHES AND CARS LIFESTYLE HOROLOGY MODEL! THIS IS A “C-“!

  • commentator bob

    As someone that has owned two Miatas I can say it is much closer to an automatic Seiko than some wierd Citizen. Especially since Seiko supplied the movement design to the top line Tag Heuer chronographs and Mazda provides the platform/body for the Fiat 125 Spyder.

  • ??????
    • David Bredan

      That’s an excellent idea and great combination, thanks for sharing! We’ll try our best.

    • Larry Holmack

      240Z’s are finally starting to be seen as collectible…as they should! Great looking car!

  • Bozzor

    I understand now why ABTW is having articles like this, though there are risks. Simply, in order to expand the appeal of ABTW and grow the business – as the editors are obliged to do to the best of their ability – they need to increase both the readership base and engagement of readers. As watch guys, many of us are connoisseurs not just of horology, but of the engineering sciences (and if really done right it becomes the engineering arts), where we take raw materials and make them into something useful, enjoyable, something that is challenging and we do it very well. That is why good watches and good cars go together so well: I do not know of many people who are into fine watches who do not display similar appreciation of cars (or firearms, aircraft, boats etc). Having said that, people tend to get pretty emotional with cars, perhaps even more so than with watches, so the scope for uncivilized conflict – evidenced by some of the very rude wording and tone below – is greatly increased. Still, all things considered it is a price worth paying. Looking forward to more of this!

  • Antjay

    If Mr Bredan is able to talk his way into thrashing someone else’s sports car whilst wearing someone else’s wrist watch , and the getting payed to write about it , well more power to him !

    • Yojimbo

      a) it’s spelled ‘paid’

      b) clearly it wasn’t even driven hard and put away wet

      • Antjay

        As I say to my work mates on regular basis , ” if I could spell do you think I would be working here ” !

  • sfbaydawg221

    How about doing a review of an hourglass + ox cart or a chariot?

  • Chefcook RLX

    I like both the Citizen and the Mazda a lot. Actually I think one does not need more in a sporty car to have a lot of fun. Of course there are more powerful cars, but usually at the cost of having a much more complex, heavier car. Compared to other roadsters the MX5 really is king when it comes to fun for the buck.