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RGM 151P Watch Review

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Some watches grab you immediately: a burst of color, eye-catching case shape, unusual hands or perhaps a new design. This RGM does just the opposite: at first look it's plain to the point of boring. Sparse dial, simple hands, simply shaped case, onion crown. More than most watches, though, the 151P rewards close study.

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Beautifully polished case, an unusual stepped bezel and perfectly made onion crown. On the dial, notice that the minute track is four segments, with a lumed triangle at 3, 6, 9 and 12. The hour hand just reaches the step of the dial inset, the minute hand reaches out into the track and is the same length as the ultra-slim second hand. Hands and dial ink are a matched shade of off-white, and the dial is a deep matte gray.

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Simple polished rehaut, no branding here. Notice also how RGM put the 24-hour indications inside the minute ring; perhaps the cleanest I've seen to date.

At 38.5mm by 9.8mm, this is a slim and light watch. The bezel is ultra-thin, making the watch face as large as possible.

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The case finish is drop-dead gorgeous; a mirror or 'black' finish is one of the most difficult to achieve. Ask anyone who's tried to make their own telescope! Here you can see the simple lines of the case and lugs, evenness of finish and the screw-down stepped bezel that is one of the few flourishes.

The RGM came on a light brown Camille Fournet alligator strap, which I disliked. I put it on a spare Milanese mesh that I think suits the watch much better. With 20mm lugs, there are lots and lots of options to choose from.

Inside the 151P is a Top-grade ETA 2892-A2 automatic movement with RGM-logo rotor.

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From the screwed caseback and non-screwdown crown, it's obvious that this is not a waterproof watch; it's rated to 50m but I'd recommend you keep it dry. This is, to me, a pilot-themed dress watch.

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Sapphire crystals (flat and uncoated) front and back.

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It wears magnificently. At 9.8mm thick, it's not Altiplano thin, but it still goes under the tightest cuffs with ease. Visibility is excellent, and legibility even better. At night, the hands and triangles are lumed with high-grade SuperLuminova, for an easy eight hours of reading. Oddly, and this is one thing I'd change, the only lume on the dial is the triangles, so at night reading the precise time is nearly impossible.

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The watch wears super slim:

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Yes, it's thin.

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RGM is Roland G Murphy of Lancaster, PA. It's a small American company that makes 300-500 watches per year. From that, you can expect that no one else around you will have an RGM, and also that no-one will recognize it. A very stealthy nice watch. You can read an interview with Roland here with more background on the company. They've recently introduced their own in-house movement and tourbillon but the 151P sports the more affordable ETA 2892-A2. Timekeeping is chronometer-grade at -3 to -4 per day, and any watchmaker can easily regulate it.

List price on the 151P ranges from just under $2450 for the base model to $3750 for the titanium version. You can get it with or without date, and various combinations of logo and text. For what you get, I consider this a excellent value.

It takes some patience to warm up to the 151P. I think a lot of us are initially drawn to complex watches with color and shape, and that appreciating this simplicity takes time and effort. It reminds me of the craft museum in Kyoto, where you learn of the extreme care put into the simplest-seeming things, or maybe a Zen rock garden. The plainness makes for a versatile design; on a mesh it's a bit sporty, and on a plain black calfskin it'd go very well with a tuxedo. Just a classic, understated design.

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Computer engineer in SoCal whose hobbies trend towards obsession. Wristwatches, especially mechanical ones. Arduino. Python. Mobile. Linux. Hacking around for the heck of it. Travel. You get the idea.

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20 comments
Rahul
Rahul

Thank you for this review. The 151 P will definitely be my next watch. The true beauty of this watch lies in its simple and humble look. Watchseller is offering this watch with a really nice bracelet.

John Kelsey
John Kelsey

I just bought this watch with the factory bracelet after I made a personal visit to their shop. For those of you out there (Larry D.) who just want to buy a watch for the "the look" of a pilot watch, you should go shop on ebay or at Walmart. I'm sure you can find something with a battery that costs less than a good steak and a decent bottle of cabernet. And with the money left over, you can take your wife out to Motel 6 for a real treat. The RGM is a completely handmade watch made in very limited quantities in their shop in Mt. Joy, Lancaster County, PA. It is the only watchmaker in the USA that makes some of their own movements from scratch. They don't just drop a stock ETA movement into a case and slap their name on it like most Swatch subsidiaries do. If you want to have a custom designed dial, they will do that too. This is a watch for someone who values substance over pretext or appearances. This is a watch company for people who are likely to own bespoke made suits rather than buying their suits at an mall outlet.

John Kelsey
John Kelsey

I just bought this watch with the factory bracelet after I made a personal visit to their shop.

For those of you out there (Larry D.) who just want to buy a watch for the "the look" of a pilot watch, you should go shop on ebay or at Walmart. I'm sure you can find something with a battery that costs less than a good steak and a decent bottle of cabernet. And with the money left over, you can take your wife out to Motel 6 for a real treat.

The RGM is a completely handmade watch made in very limited quantities in their shop in Mt. Joy, Lancaster County, PA. It is the only watchmaker in the USA that makes some of their own movements from scratch. They don't just drop a stock ETA movement into a case and slap their name on it like most Swatch subsidiaries do. If you want to have a custom designed dial, they will do that too. This is a watch for someone who values substance over pretext or appearances. This is a watch company for people who are likely to own bespoke made suits rather than buying their suits at an
mall outlet.

Ivan Y
Ivan Y

RGM is a fine watch company and, were I to hazard a guess, their margins are probably a lot less than Omega, Rolex, etc. I highly recommend visiting their site -- their range is very impressive.

Having 13-24 like that is very clean, but it's probably what prevented them from doing lumed hour indicators all the way around.

Original strap looks better, IMHO, but -- then again -- I'm not a fan of that style of bracelet, so it's strictly a person choice.

Ivan Y
Ivan Y

RGM is a fine watch company and, were I to hazard a guess, their margins are probably a lot less than Omega, Rolex, etc. I highly recommend visiting their site -- their range is very impressive. Having 13-24 like that is very clean, but it's probably what prevented them from doing lumed hour indicators all the way around. Original strap looks better, IMHO, but -- then again -- I'm not a fan of that style of bracelet, so it's strictly a person choice.

Larry D.
Larry D.

I guess if you like the Pilot Style look, and have $2500 that's just buring a hole in your pocket....go for it. But the look can be had for a lot less...and ditch the mesh bracelet!!! At least put a nice distressed leather pilot style strap on it....!!!! You can get a US made Hadley Roma alligator strap that looks nice for way less than the $100-$200...or pay more and think you're getting more. So you can get this look for $2500...or you can get it for under $500 ...and go home with 2 grand that you can use to take you wife out of town for the weekend. Oh...how about a novel idea...use it to pay next months mortage or rent payment. This one is way over priced and not worth 1/2 of what they think it's worth!!!

Larry D.
Larry D.

I guess if you like the Pilot Style look, and have $2500 that's just buring a hole in your pocket....go for it. But the look can be had for a lot less...and ditch the mesh bracelet!!! At least put a nice distressed leather pilot style strap on it....!!!! You can get a US made Hadley Roma alligator strap that looks nice for way less than the $100-$200...or pay more and think you're getting more. So you can get this look for $2500...or you can get it for under $500 ...and go home with 2 grand that you can use to take you wife out of town for the weekend. Oh...how about a novel idea...use it to pay next months mortage or rent payment. This one is way over priced and not worth 1/2 of what they think it's worth!!!

Fernandox
Fernandox

I have to go with Paul on this. You have to appreciate simple to be at peace with this watch at this price point. You will get half of the paid price because it is used you say? You should not sell it then (or bought it in the first place). So what if you get 80% of your used Rolex or Omega? It is mostly a result of marketing, not necessarily quality or even originality. Should we buy only watches with resale value of 5000% in the future? (bring out your crystal ball). My point/opinion is this: it is pointless to buy based on someone else's perception of value, new or used. If you like what you see, feel or read in a good review then you should go for it. Otherwise, you are putting more value in the opinion of a group more than in yours as to how to use your resources. And that does not make sense to me. No apologies here either.

Fernandox
Fernandox

I have to go with Paul on this. You have to appreciate simple to be at peace with this watch at this price point. You will get half of the paid price because it is used you say? You should not sell it then (or bought it in the first place).

So what if you get 80% of your used Rolex or Omega? It is mostly a result of marketing, not necessarily quality or even originality. Should we buy only watches with resale value of 5000% in the future? (bring out your crystal ball).

My point/opinion is this: it is pointless to buy based on someone else's perception of value, new or used. If you like what you see, feel or read in a good review then you should go for it. Otherwise, you are putting more value in the opinion of a group more than in yours as to how to use your resources. And that does not make sense to me.

No apologies here either.

Brian
Brian

I have a 151P and it is easily one of my favorite watches. It is incredibly understated yet it has this magnetic draw to it once you appreciate the detail and precision which went into its design. The hands are perfectly sized and land exactly where they should. The dial is uncluttered and the font is sharp. The watch can be dressed up or down. I've had it on tan ostrich, sailcloth, vintage leather, carbon look, and it is currently on an olive green Nato. It looks great on each one of them.

Brian
Brian

I have a 151P and it is easily one of my favorite watches. It is incredibly understated yet it has this magnetic draw to it once you appreciate the detail and precision which went into its design.

The hands are perfectly sized and land exactly where they should. The dial is uncluttered and the font is sharp.

The watch can be dressed up or down. I've had it on tan ostrich, sailcloth, vintage leather, carbon look, and it is currently on an olive green Nato. It looks great on each one of them.

Kris C
Kris C

I'm confused. I don't see why the sticker on this is so prohibitive for what is basically a plain steel case covering a 2892. Shouldn't we at least have had the chance to see the strap that RGM intended for this?

It would work as a dress watch, but it's pretty boring and I'd never pay that much for it. The minor nuances that were pointed out don't exactly show as feats of engineering or artistry.

Maybe RGM should think about making more watches annually and spread the profits out a bit broader. I could spend $2500 on much more watch than this.

phubbard
phubbard

The strap was pretty generic, I'd guess 100-200. You can see pictures at

http://watchotaku.com/display/swr/RGM+151P

My apologies for not putting a strap picture in the review; my error.

I think the price is a combination of market pricing, domestic labor costs and most importantly the fineness of fit and finish. I did a poor job capturing it, but the quality is better than any of the boutique watches I've had.

Like I said, the design is sparse, and if you prefer otherwise it'll never seem well-priced to you. It works for me, and I tried to explain why.

Kris C
Kris C

My comments were not meant to be insulting, and your review was fine. My opinion is just that - mine. But I don't make excuses for it, nor hold punches.

You have to wonder though, if it is so well made and better than the other brands, why would it's value be halved because it's used? It's in pristine, unworn condition - even cars don't depreciate that much when you drive them off the lot.

What is the 100-200 guess on the strap? The cost? for leather pressed with an alligator grain, that is an astronomical price! If thats a cheapo price for generic leather straps in your world, please hire me as your buyer. You can source a hand stitched authentic hornback strap for that much.

Kris C
Kris C

Agreed. Remove branding/labelling from a strap or buckle of similar or even better quality and voila - it's suddenly only 10% or less of the branded price.

phubbard
phubbard

The strap price is my guess at markup. Go see what, say, Omega wants for a leather strap these days - $500. A common scam.

I get mine from Frank Bame and Christopher Ward, both of whom I like and recommend.

Kris C
Kris C

I'm confused. I don't see why the sticker on this is so prohibitive for what is basically a plain steel case covering a 2892. Shouldn't we at least have had the chance to see the strap that RGM intended for this? It would work as a dress watch, but it's pretty boring and I'd never pay that much for it. The minor nuances that were pointed out don't exactly show as feats of engineering or artistry. Maybe RGM should think about making more watches annually and spread the profits out a bit broader. I could spend $2500 on much more watch than this.

phubbard
phubbard

The strap was pretty generic, I'd guess 100-200. You can see pictures at http://watchotaku.com/display/swr/RGM+151P My apologies for not putting a strap picture in the review; my error. I think the price is a combination of market pricing, domestic labor costs and most importantly the fineness of fit and finish. I did a poor job capturing it, but the quality is better than any of the boutique watches I've had. Like I said, the design is sparse, and if you prefer otherwise it'll never seem well-priced to you. It works for me, and I tried to explain why.

Kris C
Kris C

My comments were not meant to be insulting, and your review was fine. My opinion is just that - mine. But I don't make excuses for it, nor hold punches. You have to wonder though, if it is so well made and better than the other brands, why would it's value be halved because it's used? It's in pristine, unworn condition - even cars don't depreciate that much when you drive them off the lot. What is the 100-200 guess on the strap? The cost? for leather pressed with an alligator grain, that is an astronomical price! If thats a cheapo price for generic leather straps in your world, please hire me as your buyer. You can source a hand stitched authentic hornback strap for that much.

phubbard
phubbard

The strap price is my guess at markup. Go see what, say, Omega wants for a leather strap these days - $500. A common scam. I get mine from Frank Bame and Christopher Ward, both of whom I like and recommend.

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